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AIBU to only be a tiny bit grateful to next door neighbour?

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:38

Instead of being loads grateful.

Neighbour and his wife moved in a few months ago, weeks after I did (I moved in with DP…he's been here ten years). Neighbour is very much a Victor Meldrew type although not nasty (an odd combination of gushing, over friendliness and over sincerity with being anal and nitpicking). He is the type to worry about the minutiae of others lives when it does not affect him at all. e.g. when he moved in, he asked if he could look at our guttering as he was bored! He did clear it and we thanked him (he also made two holes in our outhouse roof doing so, and the rain got in on our washing..but we are both laid back, and just patched up the roof and thanked him and didn't say about the holes)
We have a loose tile and he is obsessed with it. He mentions it every time we see him… I think it is actually making him quite ill that we do nothing about it! I should say that neither DP and I are slobs in any way shape or form..but like most of our neighbours we are more laid-back about living in rustic falling apart old cottages and don't lose sleep over it.
His wife is Hyacinth Bouquet Mark 2 and never talks to anyone if she can help it. I often catch her rearranging her large pot plants outside and marking out 'boundaries' (we are in a row of cottages, with no fences/ boundaries) with them, she moved one too near to us once and nearly had a fit when my car hit it (it was dark , I had no idea she'd moved it!)

Anyway to get to the main point of my story….. gardens are in bad arrangement here i.e. they are 'staggered'. We are first in the row of cottages and most of our garden is at the back of their house. i.e. from their lounge they look out on most of it. To sit in their garden, they have to go to their other next door neighbours, and so on.
You know when someone offers to do you a favour but you know it's really about them? Well that's how this is IMHO. We know for a fact that the wife hates looking out on our garden. TBH it's not even a proper garden. It's more of a scrubby back yard. DP has never really used it (we also share it with Dp's colleague who lives above back of our cottage in a bedsit). He never uses it at all. (we live out in the sticks, surrounded by fields in every direction, so if we want solitude and somewhere to go we'd just go into the nearest meadow, sit on the nearest log etc, where it's more peaceful) It wasn't a total eyesore, not like DP used it for a junkyard or anything. Basically it had a patch of concrete (NOT a patio!) and a patch of grass. There were a few old buckets by the back door but no actual rubbish outside. Bits of broken up concrete here and there. Not any actual 'litter' , which DP and I would never do. Mowing the grass is a vile task as all the neighbours cats have always used our garden as a toilet. When the neighbours moved in , we were aware they didn't like looking out on our garden, so DP mowed the lawn. It was disgusting, full of semi prehistoric cat shit , including possibly ones from our cat though he's been an indoor cat for years due to his age. We liked our semi wild yard with its flowers and wild raspberries etc. Anyway… DP cleared it up a bit because of these new neighbours. As it's been a nice summer, I did take to sometimes sitting out there but I gave up on account of hating her looking out at me burning holes through me and him always coming through the gate making me jump out of my skin and wanting to chat about guttering, roofs , tv aerials etc etc, most of which I could not answer, as I had only just moved in too ( i should point out that DP and I are both very approachable, friendly and v laid back! we don't go out of our way to avoid anyone! but i'd be sitting out there relaxing with just say a long baggy t-shirt on and no bra, and didn't want this man to keep popping thru the gate all the time - it was literally every time…. one time he even followed me into our backdoor and into our outhouse ! very thick skinned)
We knew the wife had been nagging him (and would never approach us herself) as a few weeks ago , the neighbour approached me (again bursting into the garden) and asked if he could clear our garden (for free) as he knew we were going away. I was surprised but said well sure if he really wanted to, but it wouldn't be the most fun task! He grabbed both my hands excitedly and said we'd be doing HIM a favour as he's always so bored in day times (as his wife works and takes their car…he's retired and bored shitless…. we're many miles from any public transport so he's stuck here in day time) and that he was desperate for something to do. Anyway, for a quiet life I said he could , there just didn't seem any point explaining that we don't even use our garden (and part of that i.e. me not using it, is down to them!) I thanked him several times (felt put on the spot) and we left it at that.
We were away all last week and got back two days ago. So , he has done a good job and it's very tidy with the grass mown and bits cleared up e.g. the old broken concrete. He's also swept our front porch out and the gravel outside our front door, which is kind of weird as no other neighbours do except them (it's flat and windy, as soon as you sweep, more leaves blow in - when they get too piled up , I do clear it!) It's almost as if, our unswept gravel offended them! (I should explain, all the cottage fronts are the same…no drives, just gravel (as the road is also gravel) and no boundaries// just gravel right up to the front doors. So in the row of houses, it's now only us and them with swept fronts! (and the gravel is there for a reason… don't need it swept…it's too muddy underneath it and gets v boggy at times!) We've only just had swallows vacate our porch, and he'd cleaned up all their mess… which I am grateful for… but I didn't expect him to… thought he was only doing out back…. (it wasnt really that bad though…I had poured boiling water over porch before we went away)
So far we've not seen them and not been round to say thanks. I wonder if i should knock or just stick a thank you card through their door. even if it was for their benefit Yes it does look nice, yes he did it well…but we didn't ask for it and it didn't look either good or bad.
Other thing is that our very elderly and frail/senile cat vanished when we were away. (guy we share garden with who lives above, was seeing to him as has done for years). I'm pretty sure that our cat would have been freaked by a stranger out in the garden on his territory not to mention me and DP both being away (he's v used to DP being away, but it's only been this year he's deteroriated, and I was always here when DP wasnt…before I moved in here, I would stay here for the cat whenever DP was away with work, which is v often) But this is the first time DP and I were both away together. I know it's definitely not the neighbour's fault but I do wish I hadn't agreed to the garden clearance. It could've contributed to cat going away , and we think he was either killed by foxes or died naturally then foxes had the remains..we have searched everywhere and can't find a trace..he was v arthritic and couldnt go far. But really, we may never know what happened :-(
So adding this all up…. AIBU to not be entirely grateful (mainly because i know neighbour didn't do it for us and was under duress from his wife) and also I hate to feel we are in someone's debt. Do we maintain the garden/ yard now, so as to not be disrespectful to the work he's done? (DP works crazy hours, and i'm just not gardening minded….I've always liked things wild….hence i go and sit in the meadows here) Or let him do it again, if he offers? I wish we had just said no and not got into this, but i was trying to keep the peace and thought if it made them happy to look out on a changed view, then so be it. He was so emphasising that we were doing him a favour rather than the other way round but it just makes me feel uncomfortable. So am i being rude , but also BU to feel uncomfortable by it too? I can imagine her being most put out we 've not thanked him yet

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:39

sorry so epically long!

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Mintyy · 10/09/2014 20:40

Yes, too long for me.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:42

sorry Blush
ok to summarise..should i be grateful to next door neighbour for clearing our garden for his own benefit nagging wife when we weren't bothered and there was nothing actually wrong with it

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watchingthedetectives · 10/09/2014 20:43

I think you need to say thank you and keep it maintained yourself- for whatever reasons he did it it has also benefitted you.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:43

yes I think I will stick a thank you card through the door and leave it at that

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EBearhug · 10/09/2014 20:46

I'd probably do a card and maybe a bottle of wine (if they drink).

I'd probably put up a trellis with some nicely scented honeysuckle to block his view, too.

I have some idea of why you feel as you do - I've definitely used my garden less this summer because the neighbours still haven't replaced the fence panels which got blown down in the winter. We get on quite well, but sometimes I want my space just for me, and they're frequently out there smoking. Fine when I feel chatty, but not when I need a bit of time to myself to unwind from work, or just lie in the sun.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 10/09/2014 20:47

Sorry, the Op was toooo long and without paragraphs just too hard to read, when it's 'just' a neighbour disagreement, but based on your 3rd post. YANBU :) If he keeps on, talk him to death Grin

greenfolder · 10/09/2014 20:47

it is polite to say thank you. we had an older neighbour who cut our grass out the front when the kids were little. It wasnt a big bother for him and he liked to be helpful and neighbourly. yes, he has benefitted, but so have you.you could ask if he has seen the cat.......

watchingthedetectives · 10/09/2014 20:49

I think that will be enough - at least it will show you are vaguely grateful without overdoing it!

helzapoppin2 · 10/09/2014 20:49

YANBU. You are a victim of the awkward garden arrangement, your neighbours boredom etc, but when it comes down to it, your garden is your business, nobody else's. It sets my teeth on edge when anybody else tinkers with mine.
Make it clear to your neighbour that you don't need help, unless you are really pushed for time. When I was bringing up my family and working, the garden came last on the list.
But YANBU for wanting the garden how you like it.

Teddybeau1988 · 10/09/2014 20:49

Sorry I didn't read it all, but maybe could be worth seeing if they are happy to maintain it for you, you could offer to water their plants/cat in return or some other favour that requires minimal effort

PausingFlatly · 10/09/2014 20:52

Don't give him a card!

Or any more than cursory thanks when you next see him.

He'll just take it as encouragement. He's already been incredibly possessive and intrusive about your garden, to the point that you don't feel comfortable to use it, and your elderly cat has run away.

"Doing the garden for you" is only a nice thing if you wanted it done. This is more like an invasion.

Teddybeau1988 · 10/09/2014 20:55

Christ didnt see the bit about your cat leaving!!

Fill the garden with rubble OP and buy a cheap sofa off ebay and sit ok or outside peering into their window.

Teddybeau1988 · 10/09/2014 20:55

On it. - not 'ok or'

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:57

well, it is exactly that , Helza. Not our fault he's bored, as he used to come into garden every day telling me. Wouldn't leave me alone. Hence we let him check out our roof and guttering, and he damaged our plastic outhouse roof as a result. Basically your average not malicious but entirely interfering neighbour…and I don't mean that in a nasty way… Garden is certainly last on our list , DP works incredibly unsocial hours, in the past he was often away for months with work… when he comes home he just wants to rest. If he wants to relax in nature he just has to go out front door and into the meadows or to see the many horses here and go down one of the many footpaths (it's pretty blissful). Besides with that amount of cat shit ( but being a cat lover so therefore relaxed about being the local cat loo!) it was a thoroughly unpleasant job to do any mowing
Part of me is put out that it's our garden and our choice (and other neighbours are far more unkempt, and so what), but we were just trying to be neighbourly and let them do what they wanted as we knew she'd been moaning to him about having to look out on us, (bet their other next doors hate them being outside their lounge , i bet they nose thru the window too! i.e. victor mildrew nosies through their window and at their roof and guttering)

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:00

I know it's NOT his fault re cat but obviously i'm very upset re cat and i know in his senile way he'd have been put out at garden disruption. he would only ever go through cat flap and sit out in garden,would never go further as too arthritic and vulnerable, he was scared of other cats out front. So, he couldnt use garden and guy feeding him said he took to sitting on shared drive nearby instead. Of course that wasnt safe for him….and he obviously didnt feel safe in the garden..so we feel he took off. Only way to cat flap was through the back garden…. so i feel he was avoiding the garden and therefore not returning indoors. so i feel partly to blame for saying yes to neighbour

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:03

We are actually the perfect neighbours. As DP works in music, we rarely even play music at home as DP wants a break from it! if we do play it it's low or headphones. We are always quiet and conscientious…. don't have noisy guests or people to stay etc. DP sleeps most of the time he's home…sigh…. I used to park my car outside our front door but it would go into 'their' bit by literally,. I swear…about an inch. Hence out she came with the pot plants. I couldnt get my car in without hitting one, so i can't park outside now , with her it's almost a passive aggressive thing though I hate to use that phrase! but she knew what she was doing, as no way can i park there now

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OooOooTheMonkey · 10/09/2014 21:04

I know what you mean OP it does seem as though he's a bit of a busybody who has good intentions for the wrong reasons IYSWIM.
I would say thank you (no gushing, more of an acknowledgment) when you next see him and ask about the cat.
If he asks again just say no thank you and smile. If he asks why tell him you like it how it is. Grin

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:05

well i feel like getting the mankiest sofa , Teddy, and sitting on it with some cans of cider and loud music… a few spliffs perhaps…. peering in their lounge … getting a few dogs on string….

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TeaAndALemonTart · 10/09/2014 21:06

Ooh can't read all that.

I'm taking a stab in the dark, UANBU.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 10/09/2014 21:07

Ok - so you piqued my curiosity when you mentioned a cat, so I read the Epic Version Grin

I would put a lock on your gate. End of. If you can't then next time he comes tell him that you were happy to allow him to tidy your garden as it was clearly bothering his wife and that you are sorry if he's a bit bored, but that this is your home and garden and he cannot just waltz in as if he owns it.!

Be brave!!

Sorry about your cat, it's awful when they just go missing :(

OooOooTheMonkey · 10/09/2014 21:08

What? She's put her pots there so you can't park in front of your house? Move the pots. When she moves them back keep hitting the pots with the car. She will get fed up if you keep breaking them! They sound a nightmare!!!

SirChenjin · 10/09/2014 21:08

He probably shouldn't have done it - but tbh, if I had to look out onto a bit of a tip, was getting anxious about it (MH issues from time to time...) and had plenty of free time then I might just do the same Blush

Is there any way you could put up some sort of fence or boundary, and screen your garden from view? The layout sounds rubbish.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 10/09/2014 21:08

Go for it - hopefully they'll bloody well move again and go and pester someone else.

I'd keep moving the pots and parking there Grin

OooOooTheMonkey · 10/09/2014 21:09

I agree with Latte. Tell him to stop coming into your garden Shock