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AIBU to only be a tiny bit grateful to next door neighbour?

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 20:38

Instead of being loads grateful.

Neighbour and his wife moved in a few months ago, weeks after I did (I moved in with DP…he's been here ten years). Neighbour is very much a Victor Meldrew type although not nasty (an odd combination of gushing, over friendliness and over sincerity with being anal and nitpicking). He is the type to worry about the minutiae of others lives when it does not affect him at all. e.g. when he moved in, he asked if he could look at our guttering as he was bored! He did clear it and we thanked him (he also made two holes in our outhouse roof doing so, and the rain got in on our washing..but we are both laid back, and just patched up the roof and thanked him and didn't say about the holes)
We have a loose tile and he is obsessed with it. He mentions it every time we see him… I think it is actually making him quite ill that we do nothing about it! I should say that neither DP and I are slobs in any way shape or form..but like most of our neighbours we are more laid-back about living in rustic falling apart old cottages and don't lose sleep over it.
His wife is Hyacinth Bouquet Mark 2 and never talks to anyone if she can help it. I often catch her rearranging her large pot plants outside and marking out 'boundaries' (we are in a row of cottages, with no fences/ boundaries) with them, she moved one too near to us once and nearly had a fit when my car hit it (it was dark , I had no idea she'd moved it!)

Anyway to get to the main point of my story….. gardens are in bad arrangement here i.e. they are 'staggered'. We are first in the row of cottages and most of our garden is at the back of their house. i.e. from their lounge they look out on most of it. To sit in their garden, they have to go to their other next door neighbours, and so on.
You know when someone offers to do you a favour but you know it's really about them? Well that's how this is IMHO. We know for a fact that the wife hates looking out on our garden. TBH it's not even a proper garden. It's more of a scrubby back yard. DP has never really used it (we also share it with Dp's colleague who lives above back of our cottage in a bedsit). He never uses it at all. (we live out in the sticks, surrounded by fields in every direction, so if we want solitude and somewhere to go we'd just go into the nearest meadow, sit on the nearest log etc, where it's more peaceful) It wasn't a total eyesore, not like DP used it for a junkyard or anything. Basically it had a patch of concrete (NOT a patio!) and a patch of grass. There were a few old buckets by the back door but no actual rubbish outside. Bits of broken up concrete here and there. Not any actual 'litter' , which DP and I would never do. Mowing the grass is a vile task as all the neighbours cats have always used our garden as a toilet. When the neighbours moved in , we were aware they didn't like looking out on our garden, so DP mowed the lawn. It was disgusting, full of semi prehistoric cat shit , including possibly ones from our cat though he's been an indoor cat for years due to his age. We liked our semi wild yard with its flowers and wild raspberries etc. Anyway… DP cleared it up a bit because of these new neighbours. As it's been a nice summer, I did take to sometimes sitting out there but I gave up on account of hating her looking out at me burning holes through me and him always coming through the gate making me jump out of my skin and wanting to chat about guttering, roofs , tv aerials etc etc, most of which I could not answer, as I had only just moved in too ( i should point out that DP and I are both very approachable, friendly and v laid back! we don't go out of our way to avoid anyone! but i'd be sitting out there relaxing with just say a long baggy t-shirt on and no bra, and didn't want this man to keep popping thru the gate all the time - it was literally every time…. one time he even followed me into our backdoor and into our outhouse ! very thick skinned)
We knew the wife had been nagging him (and would never approach us herself) as a few weeks ago , the neighbour approached me (again bursting into the garden) and asked if he could clear our garden (for free) as he knew we were going away. I was surprised but said well sure if he really wanted to, but it wouldn't be the most fun task! He grabbed both my hands excitedly and said we'd be doing HIM a favour as he's always so bored in day times (as his wife works and takes their car…he's retired and bored shitless…. we're many miles from any public transport so he's stuck here in day time) and that he was desperate for something to do. Anyway, for a quiet life I said he could , there just didn't seem any point explaining that we don't even use our garden (and part of that i.e. me not using it, is down to them!) I thanked him several times (felt put on the spot) and we left it at that.
We were away all last week and got back two days ago. So , he has done a good job and it's very tidy with the grass mown and bits cleared up e.g. the old broken concrete. He's also swept our front porch out and the gravel outside our front door, which is kind of weird as no other neighbours do except them (it's flat and windy, as soon as you sweep, more leaves blow in - when they get too piled up , I do clear it!) It's almost as if, our unswept gravel offended them! (I should explain, all the cottage fronts are the same…no drives, just gravel (as the road is also gravel) and no boundaries// just gravel right up to the front doors. So in the row of houses, it's now only us and them with swept fronts! (and the gravel is there for a reason… don't need it swept…it's too muddy underneath it and gets v boggy at times!) We've only just had swallows vacate our porch, and he'd cleaned up all their mess… which I am grateful for… but I didn't expect him to… thought he was only doing out back…. (it wasnt really that bad though…I had poured boiling water over porch before we went away)
So far we've not seen them and not been round to say thanks. I wonder if i should knock or just stick a thank you card through their door. even if it was for their benefit Yes it does look nice, yes he did it well…but we didn't ask for it and it didn't look either good or bad.
Other thing is that our very elderly and frail/senile cat vanished when we were away. (guy we share garden with who lives above, was seeing to him as has done for years). I'm pretty sure that our cat would have been freaked by a stranger out in the garden on his territory not to mention me and DP both being away (he's v used to DP being away, but it's only been this year he's deteroriated, and I was always here when DP wasnt…before I moved in here, I would stay here for the cat whenever DP was away with work, which is v often) But this is the first time DP and I were both away together. I know it's definitely not the neighbour's fault but I do wish I hadn't agreed to the garden clearance. It could've contributed to cat going away , and we think he was either killed by foxes or died naturally then foxes had the remains..we have searched everywhere and can't find a trace..he was v arthritic and couldnt go far. But really, we may never know what happened :-(
So adding this all up…. AIBU to not be entirely grateful (mainly because i know neighbour didn't do it for us and was under duress from his wife) and also I hate to feel we are in someone's debt. Do we maintain the garden/ yard now, so as to not be disrespectful to the work he's done? (DP works crazy hours, and i'm just not gardening minded….I've always liked things wild….hence i go and sit in the meadows here) Or let him do it again, if he offers? I wish we had just said no and not got into this, but i was trying to keep the peace and thought if it made them happy to look out on a changed view, then so be it. He was so emphasising that we were doing him a favour rather than the other way round but it just makes me feel uncomfortable. So am i being rude , but also BU to feel uncomfortable by it too? I can imagine her being most put out we 've not thanked him yet

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:09

neither of us have the time or inclination to maintain something we never use. No way do I want to sit out there with her glaring at me with the net curtains, or have him pounce on me and engage me in an hour's conversation about guttering. He is not nasty as I said..but I feel his desperation and fear from her wrath Hmm
We are more inclined to take a book and go to the meadow opposite where there are green woodpeckers and we can sit on a log in peace.

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grazingfees · 10/09/2014 21:10

I feel your pain!

I am slobby when it comes to gardening too really can't see the point of faffing around in the garden and lived with four immediate neighbours who covered their houses in hanging baskets and were always out doing the front of their houses.

We had a gravel sweeper too Hmm

I would just say - oh, thanks for that. Then never mention it again. If he offers again just a gentle "oh thanks but don't worry we're in the middle of trying to decide what to do with it" polite and warm smile Smile should do it.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:10

to screen garden from view would be to block their lounge and bathroom windows… the cottages are pretty dark as it is….

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ovenchips · 10/09/2014 21:14

Ach OP I think you need to step back and realise you are giving this much more headspace than it deserves. It's petty annoyances that it's best to try not to brood on. Look at your original post - it's incredibly long and detailed!

Be as thankful (or not) as you want with your neighbours and try not to pay them any mind. They do sound irritating but I would try not to let them occupy my thoughts like this if I were you.

Sorry to hear about your cat.

SirChenjin · 10/09/2014 21:15

Ah OK - well, in which case, leave him to it. Saves you doing it, saves you paying a gardener, and keeps him happy. You could always draw a plan of what you'd like done and hand it to him - "we're thinking herb garden here, veggie patch here, seating area here and perennials here. Think you can manage that?" Grin

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:15

can only imagine the fun of all the dried up cat shit flying everywhere when he mowed… he'd be nuts if he wanted to do it again…. it does look nice but then again because of them i won't go out there because I always get pounced on; he once came into our outhouse when I was on the loo!!!! (it's a very rustic cottage… toilet is semi outside i.e. in outhouse, and we never shut loo door, partly because we would never expect anyone to come into our garden and then into our outhouse!)
It is a bit strange he would do our porch /front too when it was fine. He must be really fecking bored , maybe I should invite him to do our housework too Grin

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MajesticWhine · 10/09/2014 21:15

That was a very very long post, and I (kind of) read the whole thing. Do I win a prize?
I think you should say thank you, give a bottle of wine or something. And yes, I think it is courteous to keep the garden a bit tidy if someone else is affected by the view. But you have to find a way to deal with these people and keep them out of your hair. Next time, just say very very firmly No, and that you couldn't bear for him to go to any more trouble.

wafflingworrier · 10/09/2014 21:16

our neighbours are similar. when we first moved in we were very friendly and to be honest i was grateful for the chats as i was lonely in a new village etc.
we've let them cut the grass of our front garden twice and trim one hedge of the front garden once.
every time i am now accosted by the husband or wife, they think it's ok to drop in comments like "you really need to clean your back garden too, it's a mess". or yesterday when i was walking back from collecting kids from preschool and mentioned it was hot and we were all going to strip off in the garden, my neighbour looked me in the eye and said "no. you shouldn't do that" then grabbed my arm and said " seriously, dont"
??? they can see into our garden but only because they are so BLOODY nosy and do so at every occasion. i've not let that stop my children from enjoying the paddling pool etc. but
deep breath
please don't be too friendly. if your neighbour is bored, research local volunteering groups he can join (eg litter picking or doing up someone else's garden-you can def. sign up to do that for an infirm person)
or gegt him to own chickens.
steer him away from you and your family and towards a more fulfilled life.

wafflingworrier · 10/09/2014 21:17

sorry i should add, this is two years on. so, at the start if was a bit like your situation, now it has escalated. learn from my mistakes!

Thisismyfirsttime · 10/09/2014 21:18

Say thanks but no thanks to any further offers and bolt the bloody gate he's getting in through! I'd tell him about the cat as well, he may think he's being nice but he clearly hasn't helped you out really what with the cat and the damage he did. And as long as her pots aren't damaging your car I'd carry on bumping them! I hate neighbours like this.

Teddybeau1988 · 10/09/2014 21:20

I would keep breaking the pots, if she says anything just say its unfortunate they keep sliding onto your side.

gamerchick · 10/09/2014 21:20

I would ask him if he has seen your cat while you were away.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:21

well, that is exactly how it is, waffling. He is OBSESSED with minutiae. We will leave the tile semi loose I think, just because we know how much it bugs him!! Imagine living like that. Seriously.
But yes Majestic..we are nice and peaceful neighbours..so I am about to put a card through, and will suggest to DP re wine
Waffling, we don't have kids, can you just imagine the response if we had kids in the garden!!! oh I need to borrow some particularly rowdy ones. Especially as he and wife go to bed at 9 . I need a large trampoline and several kids Grin

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IScreamForIceCream · 10/09/2014 21:21

Ooh poor you and poor poor cat.

I'd give him a polite thank you in person, NOT a card! And really start to say no to his offers of help. I'd not entertain other people looking at my gutter (fnar) just because they are bored. Does he have right of access over your garden? If not, lock it. And be less friendly, it's not nice that he follows you into the outhouse.

Not sure what to do about garden - maybe keep it a bit tidier, but I'm with you, I'd not want to sit out there wih eyes and twitchy curtains at me! Do you need/use it? Could you rent it to them? I guess not because of colleague chap.

Jill2015 · 10/09/2014 21:26

I've only skim read, sorry. I do think giving a card would encourage further involvement, or be seen as encouragement. If you don't want him doing stuff again, I'd say thanks (I think), and leave it at that.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:29

re pots, i made a hairline crack on one as she'd moved it nearer and I didn't know. So i hit it and she came running out in a rage .. then he came out and flung open my car door, grabbed both my hands, telling me how sorry he was 'it's her! My wife! she keeps moving them! I don't know why! It's just her thing!) ( hmm I know exactly why) So stupidly i was apologising too mug anyway, I don't park there now.. can do without the drama or him pouncing on me! He once knew I'd been up all night taking DP to airport. I told him I wasn't going to bed till about 6am. So at 8am he kept knocking re his tv aerial. knocked every half hour until about midday. finally i answer door and tell him i'd been up all night and still hadn't slept. Oh sorry i forgot, he says! I had to let tv guy in because neighbour didnt believe me re tv signal. then i finally went to bed… been asleep five minute..the door goes…it's neighbour again, come to apologise for knocking earlier!!!!!! My face was Shock

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HibiscusIsland · 10/09/2014 21:30

Yes, I think it would be polite to thank him for sorting out your garden and perhaps buy him a small gift. It must seem a bit odd that you haven't acknowledged it. If you don't want him to do it again I'd just say no thank you next time

HibiscusIsland · 10/09/2014 21:31

But yes, the thread was rather long! Grin

KnackeredMuchly · 10/09/2014 21:37

I've read the whole post. I'm so sorry about your cat.

I just wanted to say that from what I have heard, cats like privacy when they are at the end. Nature leads them away from home. It wouldn't surprise me if your beautiful cat saw your absence from the house as the opportunity to leave without fuss.

You must miss him terribly Sad

Your neighbours sound crackers, but I would still buy a thank you bottle of wine. Just refuse further offers of help.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:40

re access… I don't know. Not lived here long , DP will know. Basically as our garden is joined to back of their house, we just let them have access. They come through a gate from the garden fence, from THEIR garden. Obviously having the gardens staggered like that isn't ideal.
As he was so obsessed with guttering, plumbing and his sink drainage we always let him have access to ours to save us always having to go out there with him. (and no, there wasn't anything wrong, but he did delight in removing a bit of moss from our gutter!) Grin
Wouldn't mind them having our garden . But I like our outhouse being warm and light and wouldn't want to have to block it . Wouldnt like thought of them out there when am walking around naked and using outhouse as our loo/ washing machine and drier are out there

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:44

yes it's really sad, Knackered
We wanted him to be at home with us
He's always been a latch key cat as DP was never here that much, plus he was feral for years ( he and DP kind of adopted each other, but we have a feeling he lived in this cottage before DP did….it was then empty for years and puss lived wild) Anyway since puss's decline I've been here when DP hasn't been. So I do feel awful a/ I gave the neighbour permission b/ I was away too , but these things can't be helped, and guy upstairs has always been great with cat. I just think he was put out when he went outside, and didnt have DP and me around inside, and he wandered off. Hate not knowing, he was at his end , sad it was when we were away, who knows, perhaps that's how he wanted it , i've seen this a lot with cats, they take themselves off

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Vitalstatistix · 10/09/2014 21:57

would it be possible for the whole row to get together and swap gardens so that everyone has a bit that is behind their own house?

and yes, it would be nice to go round, tell him that it looks nice, thank him and ask him if he enjoyed it as much as he thought he would when he asked to do it. and has he ever thought about taking on an allotment.

alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:57

not like it looked like this. I'd have been ashamed if it was dirty/ messy. I'd have been the first one out to clear it , what with having new neighbours.
But who honestly minds seeing slightly long grass and some wild raspberries up the fence? not like all the cat poo was visible Grin

AIBU to only be a tiny bit grateful to next door neighbour?
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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 21:59

hmmm to swap gardens, we'd have to lose ours. possibly an idea though…as we don't use it! but , we're hoping to have one of my friend's kittens (this was on the cards before our cat went off) so in that case.. we WILL need garden..cat flap goes into it…. yep… didnt think of that…..

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alltoomuchrightnow · 10/09/2014 22:01

Ok then we will need it if we get new kitty…not that kitten needs a pristine garden!

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