Do we have to give up our puppy? urgent advice please.

[SunshineDaisiesButterMellow]

We got a gorgeous puppy yesterday. She slept on the floor of my room. My ds 16 months sleeps with me.

This morning ds had a small hive on his forehead. Later when napping on his cheeks came out. 20 mins later all gone.

They were playing downstairs and outside together for about 2 hours. Ds was fine. Now I brought him back to bed for a nap he is raised in hives on his face again.

We have been looking after pils dog for a week and ds was fine. But nothing has changed, food/ laundry, he's fine in himself, except the puppy.

Dd and ds will be gutted if we have to give up the pup but ds comes first obviously. But do you think it's definitely the pup?
Can he be allergic to pup but not pils dog?

As a child I was allergic to kittens and puppies but not fully grown cats or dogs. Their hair must change

I really don't think it's the puppy anymore. Ds has been in contact with her she licked him and jumped all over him before I could stop them as my hands were full and he seems to be fine. No hives since yesterday.

Will wait another couple of days as we can take her back to the breeder within 7 days.

Hives are very uncomfortable, they itch make you grumpy and if they get sweaty and dirty can take days to go down.

Allergies aren't nice for the person suffering them, for all the posters saying persevere - how is this nice for the 16mo child?

Wen do symptoms outweigh OP's desire for a puppy? Hives, itchy eyes, temperature, sneezing, increased mucous, wheezing??

Take the puppy back and try again in a few years

My 20 month old is allergic to our neighbour's dog. He is fine when he is stroking or playing with it, but about 20 mins later he gets hives and allergic conjunctivitis. I have no idea why there is a delay.

My kid has hives on a daily basis. They come up and go down within 20 minutes and isnt in the least bit bothered by them.

Id do as the OP is and give it a little more time.

Sunshine I've not read all the thread, so I hope I'm not repeating anyone else's advice. I'd strongly recommend that you have a safe place for your new pup, like a crate or its' own bed tucked away in a corner. We don't let our dog upstairs to sleep & she is used to that. We crate trained her & she used to put herself in there for naps (way too cute for words when they do that)We no longer use the crate-she's able to sleep where she wants (has own bed thing/sleeping bag that she drags & nests in) Not upstairs though-that is the cats territory!
fwiw I don't think the hives is because of the pup either. Good luck with puppy & training.

Doing ds hives went away in about 20 minutes both times.
I would have given the puppy back this morning if he was still coming out with them. It's not just about my desire to have a puppy.

Hives can be a viral symptom

What do you mean WitchWay?

Its called viral urticaria, its very common apparently and can happen to children who aren't generally otherwise allergic.

Its an aftermath reaction to a virus, hives will come up and go down seemingly sporadically.

My child had this after a very bad case of gastroenteritis. In fact, parents whose child got viral urticaria also had a stomach bug previous to it, but this is probably just coincidence.

*other parents Ive spoken to

Lots of misinformation on here about dogs really. Let your dog sleep wherever it is convenient for you, although I do agree it's probably not a great idea to have a child M&S dog asleep in the same room when you are also asleep, but even the the chances of something bad happening are tiny. That aside, it's fine to have your dog sleep where you want it to, be that the sofa, your bed, your bedroom floor, the landing or the kitchen.

Sunshine, it is a concern that you mention the breeder only allows you to return the puppy within 7 days and this makes me wonder about how much of a reputable breeder they are. Any reputable breeder should make it clear to you that they will expect you to bring the puppy/dog back at any time of it's life if you can no longer keep it. So that alone would also make me wonder if the puppy has been treated for fleas and worms properly and you should discuss this with your vet. Flea treatments from pet shops aren't effective either, so it's best to get them from your vet if you haven't already done so.

If people are getting puppies from breeders who re exhibiting at crufts level and are told they have been wormed, flea treated etc and they haven't, please report this to the breed clubs. It's not acceptable.

I agree with you Lumpen, I very suddenly came out with a terrible itchy rash where my clothes fitted most, bra and waistline. Doc said it was allergic reaction and to take antihistamines. I was puzzled because I've not had any allergies before and there seemed no reason for it suddenly appearing.

A doctor friend then told me that you can develop allergic reactions to something you are used to as a post-viral symptom and that it will probably be temporary rather than permanent. Fortunately that turned out to be accurate for me. I had felt a little under the weather but not bad enough to stay off work...

Lumpen I do know about cross-reactions, where - for the OP's benefit - you can develop an allergy to birch pollen (I think?) and this can make you allergic to some fruits. Some of which you will never have eaten before.

So yes, I know that you can be allergic to things without having eaten them in their obvious form - my own DS is allergic to all sorts of nuts and he has never eaten nuts in his life. However, what I was trying to say was that the allergic response has got to come from some sort of exposure, which is normally to the allergen itself but is sometimes to something else in the same family.

I was trying to SIMPLIFY it for the OP because she thought that because her DS had had pineapple once before it made no sense that he could be allergic to it - I was attempting to address that misconception and point out in simple terms that actually it makes perfect sense that he ate it once with no reaction. She didn't need pages of data about IGE levels and rast tests, she wants to know: is it the dog or could it be something else.

And you are also wrong about pineapple being 'much rarer than dog allergy'. Oh am I? - my apologies! I have just had a bit of a google and it says that "pineapple allergy is a rare allergy" and that 15% of people are allergic to dogs and/or cats but OK . . .

Pineapple allergy is actually a rather common allergy. Is it? Never met anyone with it in all my life. Know tens of people with a dog allergy though.

Out of interest, where have you got your allergy information from? From our allergy nurse, allergy consultant, anaphylaxis campaign, years of living with a seriously allergic child etc.

Question for you: did you mean to be so rude?

Midori, the breeder is very reputable. She has been breeding for many years and has multiple good reviews and is part of the kennel club.
She said 7 days and we get the money back but we can return it after but don't get all the money as she'd use part of it for vets fees and rehomhing costs. It's in the contract.

Thanks again for all your comments and advice. No hives so far so things are looking good.

No I absolutely didnt mean to be rude. Honestly.

It wasnt obvious that you were talking about cross reactions.
It seemed as though you were saying you simply can't have a reaction the first time, this is something my GP told me and its scarily bad information. Because I was given that -wrong- info I was wondering if you were too and where you got it from. It was actually genuine concern and absolutely didnt not mean to offend.

Im sorry if I did. Im really shit at wording things sometimes.

And Ive been told having an oral allergic reaction to pineapple is really common because of its........ The word has lost me!

Having re read your original post though Balloon Slayer it does, quite obviously say you never have a problem with something the first time.
So I believe its quite understandable that I took that for what it said, that you were implying to the OP that her child couldn't have a reaction the first time she tried it.

I wasnt reading something that wasnt there and there was absolutely no hint if suggesting or simplifying of cross reactions, it was a total disregard for them altogether and the suggestion that her child would never react to something on its first encounter. Which is, very wrong.

Hi Lumpen

I just logged back on quickly before going to work to say I wanted to modify my post because it dawned on me whilst washing my hair that I put something like (haven't checked back) "you never have a reaction to something that you haven't had before" and I should not have put that! You are quite right! Sorry.

I wanted to post before you read my previous post but you got here before me. Argh

What I should have said is that the body has to have encountered an allergen in some form (you may not be aware they have had it, fuck knows where my DS has encountered nuts, I presume it must be one of those "may contain things turned out to be true) or something that can cause a cross reaction, before an allergic reaction is developed. I didn't say that and you were quite right to pull me up on it! Many apologies.

I'm the same, how on earth did my baby come into contact with nuts? But Ive always put it down to breastfeeding and any original allergens going through me.

And apology accepted!

OP hope that your son is ok.

My dd is allergic to something. Every year in autumn she gets a few nasty hives in bed. After a few weeks she stops. It's been going on years and never got better or worse. Eventually we (inc the dr) sort of shrugged and said "funny things allergies"! We keep an eye for signs of worsening. Sometimes that's all you can do!

I have a skin issue, which means I get little red dots appear on my legs, then they disappear. I have no idea, why the appear and what causes it. It's only ever on my legs. The first time it came out, my legs were covered thigh to feet in massive itchy lumps. Now I just have the occasional dot. I cant remember what the doctor said it was now.

Assuming it IS the puppy then try the following before doing anything drastic.

Keep the dog downstairs at all times - never let it go upstairs, certainly don't let it sleep in your bedroom! This will keep all the fur / other possible irritants away from sleeping areas where your DS spends long periods of time in one go while asleep.

Keep dog off all furniture, give it a rug to lie on but don't let it on your soft furnishings and keep the kids off it's soft furnishings too.

Keep dog out of the kitchen to eliminate the risk of contamination of foodstuffs.

Ensure the dog is kept up to date with all flea / tick / worming etc.

Keep the dog well groomed, a rub down with a damp towel (or a full wash if mucky) after a walk, followed by brushing (outside obviously so the fur doesn't fly all over the house).

Don't throw balls etc in the house for the dog, if he comes indoors he has to be calm or he gets booted out. Again, stops hair flying everywhere. I do this anyway even with no allergies in the house , it's just good discipline for the dogs.

Sunshine sorry i've just realised you commented on my post

Some viruses give a hives rash as one of their symptoms. Nothing with a particular name like chickenpox, it's just the way some people's immune systems deal with them. The rash tends to fluctuate & pop up in different places.