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weatherall · 2014-09-08T09:38:21+00:00

Poor Kate's with child again. When will these scroungers stop pumping out sprogs they expect all the rest of us to pay for?

Bogeyface · 10/09/2014 12:31

And by the way, not saying that they are all spoilt, selfish and demanding, but challenging the belief that many have that based on their membership in the family they couldnt possibly be. They are people after all, they are just as likely to be a pita as anyone else and some might say more so!

Maisyblue · 10/09/2014 12:35

Well yes bogeyface I'm just remembering that grueling tour of duty in Australia.

FreudiansSlipper · 10/09/2014 12:43

can people not see beyond the royal pr machine

even the dm was questioning what Will would do when he gave up his job to become a full time royal. then the questioning started about what do Kate and Will actually do and why do they suddenly want to live a more royal lifestyle move in to Kensington Palace, spend huge amounts of money on renovation when they always claimed to not want to live this lifestyle

so he has to find a job, what a surprise one comes up doing something he loves to do where he can fly a helicopter now who did not see that coming

Nelly7890 · 10/09/2014 21:40

can people not see beyond the royal pr machine

Just because people are capable of arriving at different conclusions to you, let's not call them all sheeple, shall we?

I'm no Royalist, but, Republicans, tell me something.

One of the common arguments (and forgive me, I'm paraphrasing...) seems to be 'Royals live a life of enormous privilege for no other reason than by luck of birth. This shouldn't be allowed. They should give up this lifestyle and live like the average person in the UK'

Surely if I asked someone from, say famine torn Sudan or Ethiopia, they could say the same about anyone living in the UK, who - let's face it - lives a life of enormous wealth when compared with them.

It's a question no one has ever addressed, although I'm sure the Republicans must have an answer. I'm just not sure what it is.

writtenguarantee · 10/09/2014 21:44

One of the common arguments (and forgive me, I'm paraphrasing...) seems to be 'Royals live a life of enormous privilege for no other reason than by luck of birth. This shouldn't be allowed. They should give up this lifestyle and live like the average person in the UK'

that's not the republican position.

The republican position is that they have their right to the position of head of state and any public funds (e.g. royal grant) removed. They can keep the vast wealth they have, but I don't want to add to it.

In short, they shouldn't be special. They should be equal under the law with all of the rest of us.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 10/09/2014 21:44

All inequality is bad. Famine is very bad. It would be even worse if 'we' in the UK lived right next door to famine stricken people, took their taxes off them to fund our lifestyle, expected applause from them for doing our jobs, while they bought endless magazines about how nice our clothes are and how pretty our babies.

Nelly7890 · 10/09/2014 22:00

Thank you written, food for thought.

The Original

You can hardly blame the royals for the esteem in which the public holds them? Surely your wrath should be directed at the media?

FreudiansSlipper · 10/09/2014 22:09

here is you answer Nelly

yes I certainly do by compression, as I live in a country that is very wealthy that can afford to provide free (as in we can all access it) healthcare, education and benefits should they be needed and I am not living in a country that has been torn apart by civil war or with terrible human rights violations

but I do not receive millions of pounds for the work I do (plus my voluntary work) and get to live in stately homes with paid staff to attend my every need

I doubt any republican believes that the Royals, should they give their position up, would live like normal people, they have enough of their own wealth (so why do we give them more) for generations to live way beyond comfortably plus of course many royal hangons would make sure their lives are still royal to some extent

we live in a democracy, so I am told. I am not sure how anyone can argue the case that I should not be able to vote on being a republic or not. I am quite certain things will change after the queen has died.

Maisyblue · 10/09/2014 22:13

Nelly so what you're saying is , we think the royals are super rich and privileged but people who are starving think we are privileged. Compared to them yes we are, we're fortunate to live in a country where people don't starve(but a lot go hungry). So because we are all fortunate in their eyes does that make it right that we heap so much privilege and riches on one family regardless of their qualities just because of the accident of their birth. There are a lot of rich people in the UK but they have either worked for it themselves or they had it passed down from their parents or whoever, but it was still worked for one way or another. The royal family get all their riches given to them. The people of Sudan and Ethiopia might think we are all privileged but that doesn't alter the injustice of what is given to the royal family.

writtenguarantee · 11/09/2014 09:51

You can hardly blame the royals for the esteem in which the public holds them? Surely your wrath should be directed at the media?

of course I don't blame them for that. whether or not we become a republic isn't going to change that. what we can change is their position in society.

ajandjjmum · 11/09/2014 15:08

We can change it presumably if the majority of people want to. 18% of the population wanted the UK to become a republic in 2011 - can't imagine it's increased much.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 11/09/2014 15:33

Nelly, I didn't say I did blame them for it. But the gross disparity between a starving person and a relatively wealthy Westerner would be all the grosser if the starving person was expected to top up the wealth of the westerner and encouraged to idolise them, right? I'm saying it's distasteful, not the the royals all encourage or demand it.

itsbetterthanabox · 11/09/2014 15:47

Just because most poorer people have a reasonable standard of living does excuse people being super rich. Money should still be shared equally. We don't want a situation where there are people living in poverty! Rich people only exist because of poor people bring exploited. If we stop it here we can than work on other countries who have much worse poverty due to things like having a super rich monarchy that doesn't share wealth..

ajandjjmum · 11/09/2014 16:16

I heard someone say 'if all the money in the UK was shared out evenly, within hours you'd have millionaires and paupers'. I think there's some truth in that - some are lucky, others aren't, some are industrious, others aren't and who said life was fair.

Wherediparkmybroom · 11/09/2014 16:20

"All men are equal, some are more equal than others"

Maisyblue · 11/09/2014 16:27

It's also true that if all the money in the world wasn't so unevenly distributed there wouldn't be one single starving person. It's unbelievable that in 2014 people are still going without food.

ajandjjmum · 11/09/2014 16:40

Sadly you're both right.

writtenguarantee · 11/09/2014 23:49

We can change it presumably if the majority of people want to. 18% of the population wanted the UK to become a republic in 2011 - can't imagine it's increased much.

entrenched, legal, class system. what's not to like said the other 82%.

ajandjjmum · 12/09/2014 06:07

Nevertheless written, a massive majority do not wish the UK to become a republic. You don't agree with them - fair enough.

Patrickstarisabadbellend · 12/09/2014 09:29

Near enough everyone I ask say they would like us to become a republic or they just don't care.

writtenguarantee · 13/09/2014 00:30

Nevertheless written, a massive majority do not wish the UK to become a republic. You don't agree with them - fair enough.

sucks to be a republican, no?

you can see where rather mild insulting sentiments like the OP come from right? Family of scroungers. now another. that's nothing like what's swimming in my head.

Custardo · 13/09/2014 00:34

Op music to my ears. Too fu king right scrounging cunts.

Metalgoddess · 13/09/2014 01:10

I agree with OP

AnnaFiveTowns · 13/09/2014 07:53

Absolutely agree OP. Depressing how many people think that they can't possibly be scroungers because they "work" or their mother is very wealthy. Yes, that's the point - why is she so fucking wealthy?!

thomasinathetankengine · 13/09/2014 08:18

Whose mother are we talking about? Diana (who I disliked enormously) is so 'fucking wealthy' she's dead. Or do you mean the new 'scrounger's' mother, whose family have a business and has subsequently married into a wealthy family, which no one on MN has done, oh no.

I couldn't give a shiny shite about the new baby, the same way I couldn't give a shiny shite whether some random down the road is having another baby. It's ludicrous that people are suggesting that royals have a self elected duty or that they can merrily decline to have anything further to do with being a royal and just fuck off to suburbia with a nice admin job. They'll still be wealthy, the general public will still waste money on OK or Hello just to see what brand of loo paper they were papped buying and people will bitch about how they don't even do charity work since they abdicated, jumped up posh twats.