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To ask how a yes vote would actually affect England?

96 replies

ziggiestardust · 07/09/2014 16:45

I can't really seem to find unbiased information anywhere Hmm

At the moment, I'm wondering whether it wouldn't be better if Scotland got its independence what with all these people who want it (or at least polls seem to say it's very close!) but again, I don't know.

Is it a good thing?

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BigBoobiedBertha · 07/09/2014 18:29

Currency covers everything though. You say you can decide your own taxes and defence budgets and everything else but ultimately, the control of your money, the money you collect in taxes and the amount you have to spend on defence will be under the control of Westminster because they control what happens to the Pound. That sounds like a worse scenario than you have now because at least you can have your say whilst you are still within the UK, even if you don't always feel listened to. Once you are outside it, you have no say at all but if Westminster makes a decision that isn't in your best interests what are you going to do?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 07/09/2014 18:29

I really really despair that some people still seem to actually think Scotland is subsidised

Do you not think that if that was the case Cameron and all that would be trying so hard to keep Scotland?

Think about it

ziggiestardust · 07/09/2014 18:31

I think I'm (on the surface!) in favour because the amount of people who want independence is high. They should have it, and the people who don't, should be given some kind of assistance to move if they don't want to stay. I'm not sure how that would work exactly; but I do have the deepest sympathy with no voters who wouldn't wish to live in an independent Scotland.

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Madamecastafiore · 07/09/2014 18:31

Scotland is subsidised though.

BigBoobiedBertha · 07/09/2014 18:32

From where I am standing I don't think he is trying that hard to keep you. I actually think he is handing you enough rope to hang yourselves.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 07/09/2014 18:32

But surely a lot depends on whether an independent Scotland is in the EU? Either way there will be border controls, issues about owning property and the right to work. The yes vote seems to be glossing over a lot of issues.

Bowlersarm · 07/09/2014 18:34

I don't think Cameron does really want Scotland to stay, Lovley, his campaigning is conspicuous by it's absence.

AMumInScotland · 07/09/2014 18:34

wombles do you have figures for tax revenues which do include oil? I realise it is a finite resource, but it is a significant part of the Scottish economy at the moment.

BigBoobiedBertha · 07/09/2014 18:37

Stats I saw a few weeks ago suggested that with oil revenue Scotland accounted for 9.3% and took out 9.2%. I would say that is a pretty much break-even situation.

However, oil revenues are dropping so it probably won't stay that way.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 07/09/2014 18:37

And I'm with Big, no way would Scotland be even having a vote if they were an asset to the UK, (financially speaking, obviously they are an asset culturally).

BigBoobiedBertha · 07/09/2014 18:38

accounted for 9.3% of revenues that should say.

I think that came from a pro-independence commentator. Don't ask me who or when. It all has me a bit like this when it comes to who is who --> Confused

amicissimma · 07/09/2014 18:39

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Doingakatereddy · 07/09/2014 18:39

Falsane is what Salmond has as his ace and he will eek out every single penny for it.

With Russian foreign policy becoming ever more aggressive now is not a time to be loosing our Trident capability.

I forsee Falsane becoming English territory (much like Guantanamo) with use of pound and debt write down as payment.

ffallada · 07/09/2014 18:39

ziggy, you are quite right - anyway the vote goes 50% of the people in Scotland are going to be well pissed off come 19th September. It won't be easy. There will be recriminations and hurt feelings and bad tempers. Usually when a county fights for independanxe there is a lot of blood shed. So far we've had some vandelism and an egg thrown. So we are doing ok.

It could be better but we are doing ok.

I is my hope that whatever side wins or loses will be gracious.

It's difficult but we are a good people and must try.

madam Scotlad is not subsidised - unless you can provide figures?

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 07/09/2014 18:43

Cameron and all that = UK government funded and orchestrated better together campaign.

I agree Cameron is keeping quieter than expected as every time he opens his mouth the yes campaign gain supporters.

ffallada · 07/09/2014 18:43

doing are you suggesting that if Scotland gets rid of faslane and the nuks are moved to Wales that russia will attack? Hmm

BardarbungaBardarbing · 07/09/2014 18:43

ffallada, It could perhaps go down in history as the one egg revolution.

LovleyRitaMeterMaid · 07/09/2014 18:47

Trident is unusable. It would take an absolute nut job to press that button as it would wipe us all out.

And for that reason alone it will not remain in Scotland under rUK control.

Remember we've had trident for some considerable time. It hasn't prevented anything. It wasn't a deterrent to the 7/7 attackers, nor was the USA' s nuclear capability a deterrent to 9/11.

The world is different, wars are different. Who would we point it at?

ffallada · 07/09/2014 18:47

bardar Grin

AMumInScotland · 07/09/2014 18:48

Bertha I very much doubt we'd stay using sterling without any control of interest rates etc for long. As you say, it's not full control, and that's what is really wanted. But most people are pretty sketchy about economics etc (me included) and are thinking in terms of "The coins in my wallet will still be pounds and pence" rather than what the Bank of England might do about debt, interest rates, and all that sort of thing.

If independence goes through, I suspect there will then be 'education campaigns' to explain what the options would actually mean, and then our attachment to sterling would drop exponentially.

amicissimma · 07/09/2014 18:49

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wanttosinglikemarycoughlan · 07/09/2014 18:54

I think a currency Union is far too risky and why even bother with independence if having a currency Union
Pre euro crash Salmond was saying the £ was a mill stone around Scotland's neck!
If a new currency for Scotland would encourage business to move south then that would be in the best interest of ruk

I don't get the we don't want to be ruled by Westminster either. That argument could go on forever. The highlands could say Edinburgh doesn't understand them, the north of England could say the same, the Cornish are already at it

ArabellaTarantella · 07/09/2014 19:05

What will happen to all the subsidies that the EU has given to Scottish Farmers? I hope they will be made to pay it all back.

If Scotland votes Yes they will be in limbo. They will no longer be part of the UK, they will not be part of the EU in their own right (will take years for them to get that), and they will not be receiving money from Westminster. Most large institutions/companies with strong English ties will abandon Scotland very swiftly (and some are already making moves).

Alex Salmond is walking the Scottish people over a cliff like a load of lemmings, even though he THINKS is leading them to salvation via the parting of the waters!

beccajoh · 07/09/2014 19:07

I live in Surrey and don't think Westminster understands the needs of people in this area, nor does it represent them Angry

ffallada · 07/09/2014 19:09

That's funny Arabella, quite a lot of Scots think David Cameron and his cronies are treating the whole of the UK voting population like lemmings and walking them into a privatised NHS.