to think this couple should not be allowed to keep their baby?

[FuckOffWeasel]

How can there be any discussion?

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-woman-having-baby-convicted-7729662

What a sad story.

From the report, the woman sounds vulnerable. He's obviously a grade A bastard. My own thought is that he's targeted her.
Obviously he shouldn't be anywhere near any child. I hate to judge but what was she thinking getting into a relationship with him!?

What a rambled post! Sorry!

So she met a guy who told her, he was a convicted paedophile yet 3/4 months later got pregnant with his baby!

Might well be a 'sad' story (for the baby) but the woman has herself to blame and the man should be equally responsible. What did she think would happen?

ifyour either she is incredibly vulnerable or there is something seriously wrong with her as well that she doesn't see pedophile as a deal breaker. Either way she'd proven she can't protect her child in any kind of meaningful way. He should still be in prison (15 months!?!) The fact that he is upset people think he is scum shows he doesn't really see what he did was wrong.

Is remorse and rehabilitation completely out of the question then? I ask that in all seriousness; he was very upfront about his conviction and he's done a course of rehabilitation. Is there no way he could ever be trusted with children again?

I agree.

However, he does raise a good point People talk about rehabilitation and getting back into society, I’ve tried doing that and I’m getting treated like I’m a piece of scum.”

What is the point of "rehabilitation"?

If he's rehabilitated, I would question why he targeted a vulnerable woman to impregnate almost immediately.

It's not like they were in a long term relationship or anything.

This woman should take out back and shot for allowing herself to become pregnant by a convicted paedophile.

As for a the father's rights - the idea is that you serve your sentence and then have the right to move on. This is why it's unfortunate that this woman has put a child in a situation where he has no real legal protection against a paedophile.

*People talk about rehabilitation and getting back into society, Ive tried doing that and Im getting treated like Im a piece of scum."

Funnily enough, he's being treated like he's a piece of scum because that is precisely what he is. They both knew what the risks were before they TTC and now they are reaping what they have sewn.

I have no sympathy for either of them

There's nothing in the article to suggest he "targeted a vulnerable woman" and it states that she was desperate for a baby rather than him "impregnating" her.

Champagne/Owl - would you trust him with your children?

It is unfair, but I do think some crimes you WILL carry around the stigma regardless of how rehabilitated and repentant you are. And if you truly were rehabilitated and repentant surely you would NEVER want to put yourself in a position where such accusations could then be aimed at you? You would do your best to live your life quietly and STAY AWAY from children.

Champagne/Owl - would you trust him with your children?

Did you read my first post?

Yes, I'm not sure why this woman has been labeled "vulnerable".

He served a very small amount of time. I don't beleive you can rehabilitate someone. Even if he never does it again, he is still sexually aroused by images of child rape. He will be exposed to children and and his child's friends and their school. I don't want him near my kid's school

There's nothing in the article to suggest he "targeted a vulnerable woman" and it states that she was desperate for a baby rather than him "impregnating" her.

The report raises concerns that she's vulnerable

And he did kind of target her by giving her his phone number when he saw her in a coffee shop.

Yes I did, Owl. However, rereading I can see where I made a mistake. I thought your "I agree" was aimed at the poster immediately before you (Champagne), but looking at the times you probably didn't even read that before you posted and were responding to the OP. Sorry!

stupid women

blame both of them equally for making this situation

she will choose him over the baby if it comes to it

Typical on here to look for a reason that this woman must have had a mh issue and the man must have 'targeted' her
In reality they could have just been two sick people. Poor child.

I wonder if he was told this would happen if he ever fathered a child?

I could never trust a convicted peadophile alone with children. Yes he has done a corse and spend IMO a minimal amount of time in HMP. But I don't think it worth the risk of the baby being sexually abused.

I wouldn't want this father at the school gates or MW appointments where tiger is naked babies.

The man said he had "learnt his lesson" but I really don't see how a stretch in prison can "cure" him of his perversions. Apart from that what on earth was the woman thinking, did she really think that they would be able to have a baby and live happily ever after. To want to have a man like that as the father of your child is mind boggling.

He had category 5 images! Not convinced in effective rehabilitation for that level of depravity. It makes me think of Ian Watkins.

I do question this women ability to protect her baby.

If on a date so done said they committed a very serious crime I would run for the hills and never look back.

I'm not sure a paedophile can be rehabilitated can they?
Is that not a bit like saying we could rehabilitate a gay person.
It is their sexual propencity is it not?
I'm not sure I could be convinced to stop being hetrosexual by therapy.

I think my concern would be that fighting to proclaim his changed character is the potential of an innocent baby being left open to to horrific abuse because well he's a changed man isn't he.
She clearly is a vulnerable woman if being told this was not a deal breaker for her.