to side with the teacher against DD?

[northernmumuk]

DD had first PE lesson of the year on Friday, came home moaning that it had been dance but because they were short of time teacher had not asked the class to change but had just asked them to take off shoes and socks.

DD couldn't understand why if school uniform was ok how come school shoes weren't as well - I told her to get over it!

That has to be the biggest non event in whole world

I don't understand your Dd's point, sorry.

You are quite right. It's the beginning of teaching children to respect people in what used to be authority. A stand-in parent for the day. Sometimes feet have to be flexible for dancing and they can't be with restricting shoes.

Never mind the uniform side of it but we had to dance in bare feet once on grass (ancient Greek dancing) at grammar school. We still talk about it with sniggers though.

I agree non event. It was probably about the soles of the school shoes marking the sports hall floor.

I think her point was that if you don't need PE kit then you don't need special footwear, also a number were wearing skirts and tights so maybe issues there.

I just put it down to stroppy teen!

Oh ok, yes I see that point. No, Yanbu!

Agree with worra ... Yawn :^0

But she wasn't asked to put on special footwear was she? This is probably the most trivial thing I've ever seen on here.

I would have hated being asked to dance bare footed on a floor which other peoples bare feet were all over as a teen.

I would point blank refuse to do it now.

Sorry I may be in a minority but I'm with your daughter. If the wasn't time to change properly they shouldn't have been doing the activity in inappropriate attire.

RJ what do you do on a beach?

Sorry for the post - I'm a newbie and I didn't realise there was a minimum standard of unreasonableness before you could post!

I wear flip flops.

I think the teacher WBU to get them to dance in their school clothes then send them back to lessons. If I were a teenage girl I would complain about that, a LOT.

There, there's unreasonableness in everything

'AM I UNREASONABLE TO GROUND DD FOR 'LIFE' AFTER SHE GOT PERMANENTLY EXCLUDED , FOR KICKING HER 'FORM 'TEACHER IN THE LEG AFTER SHE GOT A DETENTION FOR NOT DOING HER HOMEWORK.

Northern. that is the usual standard of Am I being unreasonable.

Well, there's supposed to be a minimum level of respect and kindlyness in the replies in here now, so either ignore any snipey posts or report them if they're personally insulting.

Back on topic, your DD is being unreasonable. Most of the time children need to do as they're told at school, without questioning the teacher's motives and respecting the hierarchy of the pecking order.

Thanks NoodleOodle - I sometimes think I am old fashioned but I do think it's important teens understand that they still need to respect authority.

I suppose the ones wearing tights found it a bit weirder as it's not as easy to take them off but DD did explain they were allowed to go behind the curtain on the stage to do it.

She's a teen I thought you were going to say reception!

She really couldn't see why you can't do a dance class in outdoors shoes?

Well my point entirely AuntieStella - that'd what I told her!!

She replied that since it was "weird dance like they do on Strictly" then shoes were perfectly acceptable. Apparently the teacher had argued that with the risk of slipping or standing on toes bare feet were safer.

We always did dance and gymnastics in bare feet at school - right up until we left so really don't see her issue!

The kind of shoes they wear on the likes of Strictly are proper dance shoes, even if they look like regular shoes. Also the floor will have been treated to prevent them slipping. Back in the day it used to be mopped with a can of coke added to the water.

it's not as easy to take them off

I think I can see where your daughter gets her attention to detail from, OP

Taking tights off is an athletic feat most teenage girls can manage, with or without the aid of a curtain!

Northernmummonk Skirts are not relevant. Look at ballroom dancing. It's not 'proper' dancing without 'proper' clothes (frocks that have skirts).

Oh be careful there HappyAgainOneDay! Her issue wasn't with the skirts it was the bare feet! If I start claiming ballroom dance clothing she will push back about shoes!

YANBU

Proper dance shoes have more flexible soles (depending on the shoe type). I once wrecked the sole on a pair of shoes trying to do ballroom dance moves.

Dance trainers are often split sole etc etc

It's really dangerous to dance just wearing socks or tights, its so slippy.

Dd likes to wear foot undees when dancing barefoot (but she lost them so does without now)

No idea what foot undees are - it's all getting complicated!

YANBU to tell her to get over it. YABabitU to express it as siding with the teacher against DD. You're rightly backing up the teacher in requiring your daughter to be safely dressed for an activity. It's not a question of taking sides - both you and the teacher are acting in your daughter's best interests, whether she sees it that way or (probably) not.