To think this misses the point about costs of childcare?

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"Critics have complained that homes where one parent stays at home to look after children will not benefit."

This is in response to the new scheme where parents will get 20% of childcare costs paid for by the government.
I'm a CM and all for subsidies of any sort to help out parents, but other than the odd day when you might need to go for an interview etc. I can't see why a stay at home parent needs to get childcare subsidies or am I missing a major point here?!

It sends the message that men must work and women don't have to based on being born one sex or the other.

Choosing a DH for his salary sends that message.

Having a SAHP doesn't.

Why would it?

It sends a message about teamwork.

By the time DC are old enough to fully understand, a lot of SAHPs (M or F) are back in the workforce anyway.

£135 got a pizza cooking

Doesn't sound like working to me, not unless he had extras

There's a lot if diversions Sovery

But I do like your job seekers point, very succinct!!

Sovery, that's about the gist of it

Apparently some don't want the childcare, they want a compensation payment for not working and some want the childcare so they can do things in the day without their children. Some just don't want workers to have the tax allowance as believe parents should pay for their own childcare yet have no qualms in taking benefits as they won't work.

And so wonderfully impartial too Daisy

Oh and some SAHM consider they pay tax because they enable their DH to pay so much tax. So get very cross about working parents receiving tax credits.

Oh and some SAHM consider they pay tax because they enable their DH to pay so much tax. So get very cross about working parents receiving tax credits.

LittleBear I do believe you just made that up

Who said that!?

Oh and you missed a beautiful description of a poster's DCs being 'ecstatic' to see her after school and then going home to yummy homemade cake and frolicking with their friends and playing on their scooters.
Because DCs of WPs don't have scooters or friends or homemade cake and they're never pleased to see their parents

It must have been a good cake though, given she had between the hours of 9 and 3 to make it, in between the mumsnetting

Definitely worthy of a tax break

arsnic

The hypocrisy and ability to twist words on this thread are incredible

These summaries are great!

As works of fiction

It's a shame some posters can't seem to have an adult conversion without resorting to bullying,post twisting cobblers.

Hope op got what she wanted.

I hope you're not suggesting that idyllic picture of happy children scootering along after a slice of homemade cake is a work of fiction?

Very mature.Reporting thread,not liking the bullyfest.

Have enjoyed the posts on both sides from those who are able to post in an adult measured way,the other posts sorry not worth retaliating to.

lines

Certainly fictional in my life. They would have fallen off the scooter and attempted to attack their siblings for laughing by now

seagull

Agree completely

Actually the homemade cake would have been fictional in my life. Don't mind cooking most things but baking isn't my thing (even when I was a SAHM!)

No. There are a number of people on this thread who claim their husband's tax payment is a household expense as 'he wouldn't be able to do it without me'.

There are also people on this thread who get cross at their tax paying for tax credits and free food.

Problem is they don't actually pay any tax. Their husbands do.

Which they contribute to,having played a valuable role in their family and partnership however worthless and lowly others think they are. Sahp pay tax prior to dc,after and often in between.They don't turn into voiceless,brainless amoebas during their few years at home.Last I heard they were allowed to vote too.

People aren't so much cross re TC and free food for the wealthy but pointing out the hypocrisy when people use the economy and wealth as arguments re arguments for not helping out families with a sahp too during what is often a short time.

You clearly have your views regarding sahp which you post on every thread that remotely involves one.I have mine.We won't be agreeing.

If you are unemployed you do not pay schedule E income tax, this is a simple fact.

You may have savings, shares or property that earn you an income on which you pay income tax.

In the absence of any of the above you don't pay income tax and you don't contribute to your husband paying tax because you don't contribute to his income.

You may want to think you do because you feel it validates your choice but this is your own perspective only.

I have no problem with SAHM, although I'm a little that you felt the need to look into it. But I don't think you should receive assistance with childcare when you have chosen to stay home with those children.

SAHM aren't voiceless and brainless. I certainly wasnt for the short while I was a SAHM.
The fact is though, a WOHP is currrently contributing, in addition to the tax they paid pre children, and will contribute in the future. If you aren't working, you aren't currently contributing. That's facts not judgement. I think it's also relevant that a person who has some years out of the workplace is likely to return to work at a lower level, or at the same level at which they previously worked, so they won't have progressed up the career ladder as they would have done without the break. Again- fact not judgment.

And I totally agree about teamwork... Ideally a couple work as a team, raising children and running a home is a joint effort.

littleBear

brilliant. So a sahp chooses to sah and yet a wohp doesn't choose to work.

Clearly I and others disagree.You repeating it over and again won't change that.

My choice is perfectly validated thanks by me and my family,I don't need you or anybody else to decide whether my role is worthy of validation.

Sorry we're a team and we both feel I contribute to the tax he pays now.I paid tax before,during dc and will again in the future.I am a tax payer sorry.It's a marathon not a sprint.

You can go back and forth all you like trying to extract your view of the sahp role but I won't be changing my opinion.

Many want to go back to lesser roles.I certainly do and it's what I planned for.Many,many want lesser part time roles after dc.Many want more of a life work balance after dc.It's not a crime.