To think this misses the point about costs of childcare?

[adsy]

"Critics have complained that homes where one parent stays at home to look after children will not benefit."

This is in response to the new scheme where parents will get 20% of childcare costs paid for by the government.
I'm a CM and all for subsidies of any sort to help out parents, but other than the odd day when you might need to go for an interview etc. I can't see why a stay at home parent needs to get childcare subsidies or am I missing a major point here?!

I think as well it's more difficult financially to be a SAHM now

When I left work nearly 16 years ago we could afford it with some sacrifices

If I was the same age, with the same joint income now I don't think we would able to. I would still have taken time out as a SAHM but I would probably gone back to work once they were at school

I do understand the implications of people working Seagulls. You don't I'm afraid as you are too caught up in tax credits and working out the net impact of a persons contribution especially when you then talk about 'your' taxes paying for them. You don't pay any income tax or national insurance contributions. In fact as a CB claimant regardless of whether you receive the money or not you have your NI contributions funded by the government until your children are 12. Should all the WOHP moan about how that isn't fair?

A tax break is proposed to help working parents with child care. Yet some of those who don't need childcare, don't want to use childcare and actually think childcare is A Bad Thing are asking for the tax break?

Who are they TheWord? Can you link?

I think the thing about the policy is it smacks of 'let them eat brioche'.

Until very recently, one survey after another discovered the same thing -that mothers of under 11s wanted to work PT, regardless of whether they were FT, PT or SAh when asked.

Now (nearly) everyone is struggling and being forced into difficult decisions by sky high housing and living costs.

Throwing a bit of subsidized brioche at one half of the parental population is divisive doesn't address the real problem - the price of bread.

I pay NI thanks.Started when I was a self employed WP and haven't stopped.

I also contribute towards income tax being paid thanks.I contribute towards Dp's income and therefor his tax.It is simply another household bill,one taken before we see it.The only difference being I don't write out the cheque for tax.

If you want to be specific.Why should the taxes of Dp(and others like him)help to fund other people's childcare when he sorts his own out with zero help and they have a household income waaaaay more than his?

word

I haven't said that neither.
My point was that there are lots of people who need subsidised childcare from all walks of life and I don't think it should only apply to working parents.

In addition I have said that if subsidy/tax break was given to wohp for childcare for those who don't need to work, because they do so out of choice, then sahps who have made a choice should be afforded the same.
Both don't need the childcare, but plenty of others will do.

Arsenic I won't link or even name and shame. But there are posters on this thread with pretty entrenched and derogatory views on child care.

seagull why should my huge taxes pay for your DC to go to school when I don't use state schools myself. Come to think of it, why should anyone without DC of their own pay for anything your DC use?

You can pose that question to everybody else on this thread.

Nobody is more deserving.

You have kids you provide care.If there is such a huge surplus of cash that people on £300k can be helped with their childcare then methinks families on a lot less can have help with their childcare which is provided by a sahp.

Oh and there is no shame re views on childcare thanks.There is great childcare and an awful lot of poor childcare.The fact remains in many,many cases a parent is best and if we are going to be a society that puts the needs of children as a priority helping provide care from a sahp should have equal value.

morethan only someone who hasn't worked for twenty years and is topped up by benefits would consider working a 'lifestyle choice'.

Working and paying taxes is how western democracies function. The higher the tax take, the better the public services. You of all people have hugely benefited by way of your tax credits.

So, it's pretty obvious that governments will try to encourage working. And will try to remove obstacles to working. And one obstacle that women have been campaigning about for years is the cost of child care.

The fact the you and me or anyone else won't directly benefit doesn't make it a bad policy.

For some the childcare is a sahp for a few years.It has costs.

The word

I'm sorry if I have given you the impression you say above, but reasoning for a moment.
Why would somebody with entrenched and derogatory views on childcare (which I admit is me) be bothered about childcare for their family. I don't need it as a sahp, nor do I want it.
However, there are many people who will and do benefit from childcare and they should be supported, if they need support imo.
My only objection is that imo it shouldn't be given to those who don't need it whatever their occupation, otherwise everyone should get it as they want.

.I contribute towards Dp's income and therefor his tax

Cobblers. You don't. HMRC aren't going to pop you in prison if your DH decides to evade his tax on the basis you have joint and several liability. You don't earn money, you don't pay tax.

I shared care Mutley
So the Cc/chores /woh were shared by the 2 of us.

I have to admit though that DH was much better and quicker at housework than me and not so keen on the groups so he would do lots of the chores and I took them to messy play etc.
He hast just cleaned my car out because he enjoys it

Wohp also have to do chores often with DC in tow.
A good argument for roping the DC into chores early !

For some the childcare is a sahp for a few years.It has costs.

Yes, an opportunity cost. Not the same thing.

Seagull

How would you know there's loads of poor childcare when you dont use it, do you read the daily mail ?

And no, I wouldn't say that the vast majority of children are better off with their parents day to day, children like to mix, and not all parents are 100% dedicated to their children

Some are on mumsnet morning noon and night

He has a job that pays the tax he does because of me.

I contribute towards him paying his taxes.Given that the withdrawal of my CB was very much based on his income and tax returns clearly the gov thinks couples are very much intertwined as regards paying tax.

Over the years I've probably paid more in taxes than many.If you want to denigrate people on the basis s of taxes paid do do it on an even basis and not just how people provide childcare.

My DH trimmed bank his career to allow me to earn more/pay more tax and he picks up a lot of the jobs deemed a woman's traditionally

He also works FT, and pays a lot of tax too

You don't work and don't pay tax, stop kidding yourself, you are valuable to your kids and DH, but your not valuable to the country

Toddler groups,pre school hours and play dates provide mixing opportunities.

You don't need to read the Daily Mail or have an early years degree or have worked in the sector to know there is bad childcare out there and preferable provision.You seriously had no idea?

Many posters have kids at school,napping,in childcare or can speed post(even us lesser mortals who are sahp).

Yes I've always had to do chores with my DC in tow. When I had my DCs 1 & 2, I worked part time (after taking mat leave) and clearly managed everything else around work.

However I am now in a totally different, possibly fairly unusual, situation. I have to do all that (except work) and manage all the homework and other issues associated with older children which is much much harder :) What I therefore feel I am justified in asking for help with is childcare for my 14mo while I focus on the practical and emotional needs of my older children (NOT the shopping, cooking, washing cleaning etc which I can easily fit into the 5.5 hour part of the day where I only have my 14 mo DD). READ the post before you comment please :)

What you have experienced is totally different. I could so easily manage my childcare, cleaning, shopping washing and have loads and loads of chill out time when I had one child, it would never have occurred to me that I should put my DC into childcare at any time (other than when I returned to work).

Try hospital, dental appointments and watching school assemblies, doing homework, sitting next to a swimming pool etc etc - with a 14 mo in tow. Not easy and certainly not bliss!

My husband is great too ( I have never cleaned a bathroom since we met! ) but to fair he has a stressful job and I don't expect him to come home and clean when he also has relationships with 3 DC to build. And it is not realistic for him to take time off every time I need to take one of the older ones to the dentist or hairdresser.

Goodness me, my DH most certainly could nit do his job without me. But I don't think I'd expect a tax break for it.

What if a person used child care and helped their DH do his job. Could they get two tax breaks...sounds appealing.

PS - seagulls your post at 1349 - EXACTLY!

Not valuable to my country.some could say then many wp offer no value to their country if we're only talking in monetary terms.

Iam well if I upped and sodded off dp would have to change jobs and pay a lot less tax.

Imvho sahp provide a lot if value to their country- free childcare for one.

No I bet if you upped and left your DH would do one of two things

Get paid childcare in

Get another newer model

Because if he didn't do that he wouldn't be able to survive

Your not providing free childcare

You are bring a mum and making a choice to be there all the time

It's not free for god sake or do you only value your children as a missed opportunity to be earning

He has a job that pays the tax he does because of me.

Did you do the interview for him?

Because otherwise he could still do that job, couldn't he. Maybe he'd have to hire a nanny but that's do able.

Ahhhh paid childcare for 3 children.There is no way on earth he could afford that.

He'd have to get a lesser paid job with better hours and frankly he'd be screwed.