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To refuse to engage with anyone who uses of instead of have?

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ExitPursuedByAKoalaBear · 31/08/2014 21:29

That's it.

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littlewhitebag · 01/09/2014 19:11

My friends 16yo DD has just split up with her boyfriend because "his grammar is atrocious". This is what happens when the private school girl dates the comprehensive boy Grin.

JanineStHubbins · 01/09/2014 19:12

South of Ireland, Gruntfuttock Smile.

redshifter · 01/09/2014 19:19

CoteDAzur you come across as a .

Do you relise that?

Gruntfuttock · 01/09/2014 19:20

Do you pronounce 'film' with two syllables, Janine

JanineStHubbins · 01/09/2014 19:21

Absolutely!

I love Hiberno-English, I think it's one of the richest variants.

Suzannewithaplan · 01/09/2014 19:21

Redshifter how are you pronouncing '**'?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/09/2014 19:50

Ahh, I love that accent. To me it sounds like 'fil-ym' and 'col-ym'.

I wouldn't swear to it as I never heard them say column, but I think my dad's mum/auntie would have said that.

F0ssil · 01/09/2014 20:01

Only some Irish people say fillim though. Not all. I don't. I speak very nicely. I know nothing about anything and I live in fear of being asked what I think of what's going on in Israel, The Dail, or what I think of Obama care. My gentleman friend says fillim and genyooEYEn and AdvertEYEsement etc.... and 'would of' and 'been patient'. It's kind of nuts that people would decide there and then not to engage, on the basis of one error. Was it noam chomsky that said that we all learn language in the same way, ie, we all learn the 'rules' of the form of the language spoken around us. So it's not intelligence to speak correct English. It just means that it's what you heard.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 01/09/2014 20:09

I put the y in during. Some Americans do.

ProfessorVonIgelfeld · 01/09/2014 20:53

yes, I think the second pronunciation re. the casher of a cheque is how some are (wrongly) claiming you pronounce 'drawer' as in chest ofl

Nancy, my original point was to highlight that some people mistakenly call a drawer a 'draw' (as seen on Ebay listings, etc.), which follows on from people mistakenly saying 'would of' instead of 'would have'.

It was you who started the pronunciation debate by telling me I was wrong, when actually you had misunderstood my post Hmm. Perhaps best to read posts before you jump in with both feet!

I am Scottish, and I can assure you that we pronounce the word draw (one syllable) just as it looks, and we also pronounce the word drawer just as it looks i.e., two syllables and the r sounded.

Think you missed my point completely.

CoteDAzur · 01/09/2014 21:11

redshifter - Thanks, but I think you have misspelled "**" Smile

CoteDAzur · 01/09/2014 21:14

"if you were reading a friend's new website and noticed mistakes, would you tell them?"

Yes, definitely, unless it is someone's personal blog. The owner of any commercial website would be grateful for the correction.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/09/2014 21:24

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CoteDAzur · 01/09/2014 21:27

Re earlier comments on CVs being chucked for grammar & spelling mistakes, if anyone is interested, this thread currently running in Chat on that topic has quite a few pertinent examples:

PivotPIVOT Mon 01-Sep-14 19:40:36
I have chucked CVs in the bin for having apostrophes and random punctuation everywhere.

AndHarry Mon 01-Sep-14 15:55:56
I received literally hundreds of CVs every day. I know it's harsh to bin a CV due to a single spelling mistake... Anything an applicant can do to make the recruiter's life easier can only increase their chances.

This is truly important. It is not just some smug snobs being mean. If you possibly can, take the time and make the effort to improve your spelling and grammar.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/09/2014 21:43

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mamita21 · 01/09/2014 21:51

hahah, funny

ExitPursuedByAKoalaBear · 01/09/2014 21:52

Dust as we are.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/09/2014 21:57

I do know that lot of people bin CVS, cote. Some out of genuine need to select for those qualities and many of out bias.

But, you know, time was when binning CVs from women, or Irish people, or black men, was also considered a 'reality' everyone should just learn to understand. In fact, I don't think that time has passed, but I think people realize how it sounds to pretend it's normal.

My impression on this thread and others is that some people genuinely do not realize they might be being disablist to bin CVs with typos. They honestly think they are simply doing it to whittle down the pool of applicants in a sensible and reasonable manner.

Many people, therefore - as on this thread - believe that you cannot succeed if you are disabled, because you will fall at the first cull. Or - more damagingly, IMO - they do not really believe in disability, so they think you can magically learn your way out of it, like regrowing a leg.

I don't know if this helps to show that proofreading is not simple, but here's the list of people who proofread parts or all of my thesis:

  • me.
  • four senior lecturers, one of whom proof-read 60,000 words in a week before submission. I owe her a lot.
  • one professor at Oxford
  • one author and ex-academic.
  • one journalist.
  • nine friends, all with degrees of MA or PhD or above.
  • three professional proofreaders.
  • two dyslexia specialists.

And yet, I never got all the mistakes out of it. This is not because all of those people were stupid, or because I wilfully ignored their help. It's because it's really, genuinely not that easy. At some point, you have to give up and realize there might be more important things than SPAG.

I was so, so thankful my job application made provision to ignore that. It gives me hope that other people who're dyslexic won't need to lean on such a ridiculously long list of proof readers, and might just be able to ask people to ignore the SPAG errors and concentrate on the content.

I wish people would do this more often with job applications, but the fact that someone bothered to do it for mine seems to me good evidence that we could stop pretending that binning CVs with errors is something acceptable.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/09/2014 21:58

buffy - YY, I was bowled over by the account of the poster's sister who works in child abuse.

We are so lucky to have her working.

TheOriginalSteamingNit · 01/09/2014 21:59

I must admit I do go straight to this mistake in my comments on essays - and if I see it on Facebook, it makes me cringe a bit.

But obviously the problem is not with people being plain stupid: I explained really quickly to one dissertation student that you would never write 'she of been' and so it doesn't make sense to write 'she could of been'; she was genuinely astounded, and said she'd always thought it was just the same thing. Because nobody had ever actually explained. I really hope she has remembered that.

I don't really like the idea that language will change and things we 'know' are wrong become 'right' - aitch into haitch is one I have argued about with DP a few times (he says I will have to accept it when 'haitch' 'becomes correct'). But see for example, 'contact' - which is the way 'impact' seems to be following. I imagine that I will eventually have to stop wasting time being infuriated about things 'impacting overall satisfaction' and so on. In the same vein, I noticed that Cote used 'hopefully' up thread in a way which would infuriate my pedantic mother but probably very few other people these days!

Nancy66 · 01/09/2014 21:59

professor - yes I did misunderstand your original point.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/09/2014 22:04

Oh, my mother also hates 'hopefully' used when we should use 'it is to be hoped that'. And of course, they do mean different things.

But I don't believe we can stop language change, can we? I mean ... how?!

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 01/09/2014 22:04

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TheOriginalSteamingNit · 01/09/2014 22:06

No, we can't. I just bridle at some of the likely changes!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 01/09/2014 22:15
Shock

buffy!

Sad

Do you think your reading comprehension is really shit, then? Maybe your students will lead a revolt against you, carrying sign bearing misplaced brackets.

theoriginal - oh, I can get behind the bridling. Smile