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To wonder how you're voting in the Scottish Referendum and why?

999 replies

deeedeee · 23/08/2014 11:17

a month away from the vote thought it would be interesting to ask

( no bunfighting , derision or soundbites please. just yes or no and why. feel free to post more than once with different reasons. No links unless independent fact or opinion, nothing from the official campaigns)

I'm a YES

because Westminster's failed to protect the vunerable and the UK's me first politics have taken us down a particularly nasty path. An independent Scotland leans towards to left and can potentially choose a better route. And if a change happens in scotland then I think that that could inspire a change in the direction of politics in the rest of the UK.

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SantanaLopez · 23/08/2014 13:29

I think it's incredibly patronising when people use phrases like 'skirl of the pipes' in such a condescending manner.

Are you not allowed to laugh at bagpipes now? Are they a holy instrument?

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 13:30

Jim Sillars haa received death threats if that helps balance things out for you.

HMF1 · 23/08/2014 13:31

I am surprised by the number of people who have made the same journey from no to yes as I have. I think the risks of staying are too high, I am concerned by the number of people who consider that there are no risks in staying in the UK. Yes there are risks in going it alone & f or me personally they are big risks (I have spent my entire career in the UK civil service ) but I think they are worth it.I want more social justice not less. I am currently reading Blossom what Scotland needs to flourish by Lesley Riddoch, worth reading I think

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 13:32

So you assume all yes voters are doing so because of some sort of traditional sentiment? Why think so little of almost half your country people?

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 23/08/2014 13:35

Even Darling and Cameron have agreed that economically, iScotland will do just fine, with or without oil, so I don't know where the prophecies of disaster and collapse are coming from. With the oil, we're a wealthy country; with the new fields opening up to the west of Shetland and potentially off the Ayrshire coast, we could be the richest country in the world. Who wouldn't say Yes to that?

Golferman · 23/08/2014 13:35

Wife and I are a No

ButterflyMinded66 · 23/08/2014 13:37

I'm not saying don't do it by the way. I have no axe to grind. I won't have to experience the consequences of a Yes vote directly because I don't live in Scotland.

I think it's a brilliant dream and good luck to the Scots if they go that way but please accept my simple premise: you are choosing a very uncertain economic future and your "freedom" will come at a cost that is expressible in money. A cost that the descendants of those who vote in September will be paying.

God knows, I have never voted for the Tories once in my life, but Salmond and his team are just plain unintelligent. Scottish labour politicians have been instrumental in UK government for decades, it's just childish to suggest that some "alien" culture is deciding Scotland's future.

Everyone keeps saying it will be like Norway, a utopia funded by oil revenues. As others have pointed out, that bus left in 1979. If you want to know what an independent Scotland will look like, try Portugal for somewhere in the Eurozone, and Argentina for somewhere with its own currency.

Not exactly a lip smacking proposition in either case. But they are independent.

anniepanniepears · 23/08/2014 13:37

yes from me
the government say that the oil reserves will run out well okay they will we all know that
so why would they want to keep Scotland in the union if in so many years they will be out of pocket keeping them with no oil reserves to fall back on
oil will run out whether we are together or not

expatinscotland · 23/08/2014 13:37

Of course, Lady, they are ignoramuses incapable of educating themselves about economics. Hmm

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 23/08/2014 13:38

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SantanaLopez · 23/08/2014 13:38

People who have done their research, OldLady Wink

The currency issue is a catastrophe. I really don't understand how anyone could vote yes without a guarantee of what currency we're using. Salmond has stuck his head in the sand and is just looking like a stubborn old fool now.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/08/2014 13:39

This is an interesting read...
www.credit-suisse.com/ch/en/news-and-expertise/news/economy/global-trends.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2014/07/en/the-success-of-small-countries.html

You can also download the full report from the link.

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 13:39

That's the one thing that's saddened me through this debate whether it's played out in homes, online, in the streets... I've heard so much sneering and mocking directed at YES supporters it's really sad. We're all narrow minded kilted English haters who support the snp when that couldn't be further from the truth. Lets give everyone a bit more credit aye?

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 13:39

You do know Salmonds background & education, feck sake.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/08/2014 13:39

Once, twice and thrice no. The risks of going are far too high - really big issues like currency, what would happen to our financial services industry etc. The answers and plans that need to be there just aren't.

I don't believe in dicing the world up in to ever smaller pieces. I don't see the benefits, and I don't believe the hype about how we will somehow be this wonderful, fairer country. I consider myself Scottish and British, and I like it that way.

FannyFifer · 23/08/2014 13:40

We'll be using the pound.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 23/08/2014 13:40

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skrumle · 23/08/2014 13:41

i will be voting no. i don't think scotland gaining independence is the most pressing issue in terms of governance across the UK and think it is a backwards step considering the world we currently live in.

i also note that a PP commented that this country is more left wing and independence will allow that to flourish - i genuinely disagree with that and have a real fear that an independent scotland will become right wing in a very short space of time. scotland is generally, IMO, quite a conservative-with-a-small-c country and used to have a significant tory vote. that change is relatively recent and lets face it just a few months ago the country as a whole voted in a UKIP MEP who lives in london...

as for the currency union - i don't understand why the SNP are promoting that. the experience in Europe has shown that a currency union with different political priorities can go badly awry. if the whole point of independence is to allow us to be in control of our own destiny why are we then tying ourselves to a state ten times bigger and allowing them to influence our economic/fiscal policies.

i also think the SNP are being slightly disingenuous by claiming this is not a vote for SNP policies - they will be the party negotiating independence in the event of a yes vote and unless there are a significant number of by-elections the SNP will be in power for the first 7-8 weeks of scotland being an independent country. if you're not voting for SNP policies then how can you think that being independent will automatically result in the removal of trident??

chubbyhez · 23/08/2014 13:41

He has not stuck his head in the sand. The currency issue has been played out poorly by both sides. The fact is that nothing will be discussed fully until it has to be, negotiation will begin after a yes vote abd until then both sides are playing their cards close to their chest.

StatisticallyChallenged · 23/08/2014 13:41

Where's the eye rolling emoticon when I need it. Using someone else's currency without a currency union is a pretty rubbish option. It might be the best of the bad options we will have available to us with currency union not available, but it's still rubbish.

expatinscotland · 23/08/2014 13:41

Unlike yourself, a true paragon in the field.

Others I know voting yes are two doctors/professors, two head teachers, a retired solicitor, three nurses, several more teachers, a PhD educated economist, her economist husband.

I shall tell them how ignorant they all are.

Needthesunshine · 23/08/2014 13:41

It's No Thanks from me for a variety of reasons but I suppose the main reason is I don't believe that it's economically viable.

SantanaLopez · 23/08/2014 13:42

Which is a terrible option Fanny.

expatinscotland · 23/08/2014 13:43

Keep on patronising, Lady, you are doing a fine job of it!

Trying to count, too, how many countries are using the US dollar with no currency union . . .