To think I should report someone for a fraudulent visa application? Sorry, long!

[Moralpickle]

NCd because I'm identifiable, have been vague where I can to not out myself. I'm in a quandary, please advise me wise MNers.

An acquaintance who is living outside of the UK is planning on applying for an entry visa for their spouse who is a non-EU national (under more favourable EU regulations) to move to the UK permanently. In order to qualify for this route the EU spouse must have lived and worked in another EU state before returning to the UK with their third national spouse (Surinder Singh route). This is a perfectly legal thing and is not an abuse of the EU rights of free movement.

However, this person is not working but has arranged for their spouses relative to make them a 'contract' and provide them with payslips and an employers letter etc etc all to fraudulently obtain an EEA family permit for their spouse. I am 100% this is the case as they have admitted it to me after several months of asking my advice (I know an awful lot about this route to the UK, DH is a non-EU national). Part of me is pissed off because I know a lot of people who have had to rely on this route to bring their spouses to the UK (financial threshold for bringing a foreign spouse to the UK is ridiculous) and I don't want to see it abused as it leads to UKVI cracking down on genuine applicants and making it harder for everyone else. I told them it was a bad idea because they could be caught out and was told that it's fine because the relative knows what story to tell if they call to verify employment.

I feel very strongly about this but I don't know if it's morally okay for me to report them? And if I do, how? Also, due to the nature of the application the non-eu spouse will not receive a 10 year ban or be punished, their spouse would just have to actually have genuine & effective employment in the host state for a minimum of 3 months. They are planning in trying their luck at the border for an entry stamp rather than applying for the permit in advance.

No "the Uk is full" bollocks please, I am very pro freedom of movement within the EU but this doesn't sit right with me. Feel free to tell me it's none of my business though & well done if you got through all that!

[Haffdonga]

Supermum i guess you just haven't ever experienced being forced to live separately from your spouse and the parent of your children because of paperwork.

I'm so glad that the majority of people in the UK are not like you of the same opinion as you.

[SuperWifeANDMum]

It does not matter if they are trying to gain citizenship, UK residency or entry clearance the point is they are doing so fraudulently and abusing the system. It should be reported.

IF the UK leaves the EU it will be a sad day indeed. No it will not, it will be the best thing that has happened to the UK in a very long time.

[Moralpickle]

And whys that?

[SuperWifeANDMum]

Haffdonga most people do want to see immigration regulations tightened this is why UKIP are gaining popularity and why traditionalist Conservatives are pushing for our removal from EU.

[SuperWifeANDMum]

MoralPickle Why should it be reported? ITS ABUSING THE SYSTEM.

[Moralpickle]

No I want to know why you think leaving the EU is a bad idea?
most people ahahahaha thanks for the larf

[LiverpoolLou]

Why shouldn't it be reported? THE SYSTEM IS ABUSING FAMILIES.

[SuperWifeANDMum]

MoralPickle if 'most people' were happy with this ridiculous freedom of movement and the level of immigration we have why are UKIP gaining popularity? Immigration will be a huge focus of the main political parties manifestos come the next general election in my opinion.

I want us to leave the EU to stop the Freedom of Movement and to stop us pandering to the EU court of human rights amongst other things.

[Haffdonga]

I'm not going to argue with anyone who takes the fact that UKIP votes have risen as evidence of what most people think.

Most people I know think UKIP voters are loons and nut jobs but I don't take this as evidence that they actually are. I suppose a small minority of them might not be...

Goodnight.

[Moralpickle]

Yes those pesky human rights who'd have 'em!

Super you wouldn't think freedom of movement was ridiculous if you wanted to work abroad or you wanted to be reunited with your spouse. Just because you have chosen to spend your life in the UK doesn't mean everyone else should have to, immigration works both ways. Migration isn't always permanent. I've worked in dribs and drabs all over the EEA and I've actually spent most of my adult life out of the UK. It's a crying shame that British citizens have to move abroad just to be able to live as a married couple.

What would you have done If your spouse wasn't British?

[SuperWifeANDMum]

Haffdonga I don't personally agree with all UKIP policies nor will I be voting for them. I am a staunch Conservative however I know of Conservative voters who are defecting to UKIP and none of these defectors can be considered as 'loons and nut jobs'

Even Labour are looking at their own immigration policies after opening the floodgates last time they were in government.

[LiverpoolLou]

I'm not going to argue with someone who thinks there is an EU court of human rights. :o

[SuperWifeANDMum]

MoralPickle Human Rights in regards to the fact we can't kick out these ridiculous extremist such as Abu Qatada without numerous appeals to the EU Court of Human Rights.

I have nothing against people coming to this country if they can add something to the economy and don't claim benefits or use the NHS. It's the immigrants who abuse the system that I can't abide.

[LiverpoolLou]

There is no EU Court of Human Rights.

The UK is perfectly able to kick out extremist such as Abu Qatada because the European Court of Human Rights (which has nothing to do with the EU, just so you know) is not binding on the UK. The UK abides by its decisions because it WANTS to, not because it HAS to.

[SuperWifeANDMum]

LiverpoolLou I obviously mean the EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

[LiverpoolLou]

Are you aware of the fact that the EU and the European Court of Human Rights have no connection? That they are completely separate organisations based in completely different countries? Because it doesn't sound like you are.

[SuperWifeANDMum]

Yes I know exactly what the EU is and where the European Court of Human Rights is based.

[LiverpoolLou]

Yeah right

[Moralpickle]

If somebody contributes to the economy why shouldn't they later claim benefits and hrs the NHS?

[SuperWifeANDMum]

To be honest if I moved for example to the USA I wouldn't expect to claim social security and would have health insurance for medical care. I think that should be the same here.

In the UK I don't think immigrants should ever be able to claim benefits unless it's extreme circumstances such as redundancy and providing they have made a substantial contribution to Tax and NI.

[LiverpoolLou]

I've emigrated from the UK. I fully expect to be able to claim social security benefits and have access to the health service here. We work and pay taxes like everyone else and expect equal treatment. True we haven't paid into this system our whole working lives, but then this system gets the benefit of our skills and experience without having to invested a penny in us. It works both ways.

[MexicanSpringtime]

Dear SuperWifeANDMum I really hope that none of your children fall in love with a foreigner and consequently are not allowed to live in the UK.

Because my experience of life is what we are most intolerant of is the next thing that happens to us.

[chocisonabikinidiet]

OP, I really would not report them. The current legislation is a total disgrace. Your friend doesn't want to harm anybody but just life with his spouse. Beyond me why you would want to report this

superwife - what a daft thing to say. Why should people working and paying taxes not have access to social security benefits and healthcare.

[Iflyaway]

Why do you feel the need to control other people,s lives?

How does that enhance your own? (life)....

Yuk Yuk Yuk at this nosy neighbour UKIP only for the british creepy fucking attitude....

[Moralpickle]

Just wondering, if it had been any other kind of visa application would the responses have been the same?

Say a tourist who was planning on staying indefinitely or coming over just to give birth.

Or a student who was planning on working full time instead..