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UK and America are two countries separated by a common language, UK and US Q&A

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Pipbin · 18/08/2014 20:23

Continuation of the previous thread where posters from the UK ask questions like 'what the hell is going on with the gaps in US toilet doors'; and posters fro the US ask things like 'what is with wearing stripes'

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lettertoherms · 19/08/2014 15:23

S'mores are a toasted marshmallow, on a piece of chocolate, sandwiched between graham crackers (a dry honey-sweetened biscuit). Traditionally made over a campfire, toasted the marshmallows on a skewer, then popping them into the sandwich so the heat melts the chocolate.

Sad I miss marshmallows. I wish gelatin free ones were more easily found.

I have never known anyone to actually make a savory jello dish... I think that was a fifties thing, when that kind of cooking was in fashion.

Sweet potatoes, or yams, are traditionally served on thanksgiving. Sort of cooked up in butter until they're caramelized. A lot of people's recipes involve putting mini marshmallows on - I am firmly against it! The debates can be very heated between the pro- and anti-marshmallow camps. Much like the cranberry sauce debate

FreudiansSlipper · 19/08/2014 15:25

Hooters a family restaurant Hmm

To be a hooters girl you have to look a certain way, dress in tiny outfits as the attraction is nice (food ok) served by pretty women that also have to accept they may get sexual comments made towards them while working

It's a tacky nasty place according to my 17 year old niece Grin she has grown up in LA individuality has been very much encouraged thankfully

wobblyweebles · 19/08/2014 15:25

Thinking about it, I think they drive younger in the US because in a lot of places you need a car to get anywhere. Where I live the nearest public transport starts 5 miles away. Also the roads are pretty quiet and straight, and everyone has an automatic, so it's easy driving.

Smilesandpiles · 19/08/2014 15:26

Thank you!

I didn't know it included night driving. Brilliant. That's something they don't do here which I will never understand.

givemushypeasachance · 19/08/2014 15:31

The initial restrictions on carrying passengers/driving at night/etc all seem very sensible - I think it's just the starting at 15 seemed very young with contrasted with the drinking age of 21. I know driving and drinking are very separate things (or should be!) but here they're just sort of held to be adjacent milestones since you can drive at 17 and drink at 18...

The whole "I can't drive stick!" everything being automatic concept used to confuse me, but if it is all long straight roads then I guess shifting gears isn't required as much as it is here! Don't know what you've got against roundabouts though, when they're properly designed they're much more efficient than ordinary junctions.

Pastamancer · 19/08/2014 15:33

When we went to Florida we were amazed at how many people used phones while driving. It was so bad we actually used to play spot the driver not on the phone. Is it not considered to be distracting there?

FreudiansSlipper · 19/08/2014 15:34

Is Steak N Shake as good as In-N-Out Burger?

I am hungry for a burger and it is only 730 maybe go gif delicious Mexican breakfast best breakfast ever

SconeRhymesWithGone · 19/08/2014 15:42

Some states prohibit use of cell phones while driving, except through hands-free devices. Florida is not one of them.

itsbetterthanabox · 19/08/2014 15:44

The two things I like the sound of in the US and wish we would adopt here are rent control and carpool lanes on motorways. Why don't we do these!
Also I want fast food Mexican food here! Where is my Taco Bell!

steff13 · 19/08/2014 15:44

In Ohio you have to be 15 years, 6 months to get your learner's permit to drive. Once you past the written part of the test, you get your temporary permit, and then after you've had that 6 months, you can get your license after passing the road test. They don't teach driver's ed in school in my district anymore, so my son is taking it online.

We have a lot of winding back roads here. The roads to my MIL's house are nightmarish in bad weather. It depends on the state you live in, I think. Florida, Texas, and some other state are pretty flat, so their roads are pretty flat and straight.

itsbetterthanabox · 19/08/2014 15:46

And the uk is so stuck in the past about automatic cars. They are the future!

maggiethemagpie · 19/08/2014 15:48

Blackcurrants were illegal in America, but it is ok to have a gun?????????

Smilesandpiles · 19/08/2014 15:49

The right to defend your home is another one they've got right as well.

Our version of it takes the piss.

mathanxiety · 19/08/2014 15:50

AP level courses are university level courses taken in high school by students. The courses are graded on exams for the most part but AP Studio Art requires a portfolio. They are designed and administered by College Board Inc. They require university level academic skills. The reason to take the courses in high school is to impress university admissions officers by demonstrating that you are university-ready. Most universities that are selective recognise scores of 4 and 5 out of a scale of 1-5 and many will allow a student to opt out of core courses and proceed to electives or get started on coursework related to your major if you have achieved a 4 or 5 in your AP course. Most universities have general education or core course requirements as well as the coursework required for whatever major(s) or minor you do for your degree. It's nice to get gen ed over and done with in a free high school instead of paying $$$ to do it in your first year of university. Some universities wont even look at an application unless the majority of your courses are AP level.

Why do you need to go to college for 4 years and then another college to be a Dr, lawyer etc? And how does anyone afford 8 years college?

Universities aim to produce a very well rounded and versatile graduate. Most universities in the US require a wide variety of courses in different subjects. A grad with a bachelors degree in any subject from a good university will probably have passed exams in calc 3, physics, statistics, literature, foreign language, psychology, a few history courses, etc. as well as whatever courses constituted their major and minor subjects. Even if your degree is in engineering and you go straight into a job in the field you will have done writing, humanities, foreign language and other courses along the way to your degree. Once you have graduated, you are equipped to choose a profession.

DS is entering his senior year and will graduate with a major in biology and minor in chemistry. He could choose to go to law school or med/dentistry/pharmacy/veterinary school but would have to pass the LSAT or MCAT or whatever other standardised testing is required for application to those professional schools. A neighbour of mine did a degree in microbiology and has worked as an analyst in an investment firm since graduation. DD1 has a degree in economics. The path to the BA required six quarters of Humanities, Civilization Studies and the Arts, Natural and Mathematical Sciences, Social Sciences and then all the major coursework in econ. This was gen ed on top of AP coursework that qualified for credit. A childhood friend of DD1's did a major in Mandarin and minor in premed so she had all that coursework plus the gen ed requirements. She is now in med school. When she is finished med school she will specialise and that will take another few years.

You afford college by a combination of financial aid, loans, working your way through, and flying by the seat of your pants. DD1 repaid one of her loans while still in university. She only really took a few days off per year from studying and working for all four years. She probably has enough saved to allow her to go to law school full time if she were to decide to go at this point, having worked for two years. Some people do it this way.

The VA (Veterans Administration) is a whole department of government devoted to care of vets. It does a terrible job, and as suggested by a PP it is one of the reasons some Americans are suspicious of any NHS type of policy departure in the US. exBIL did his med school psych rotation in his local VA hospital about twenty years ago and was shocked to his core at the terrible VA MH services. He saw patients who had been treated for the wrong illness, medicated, and barely functional, since the end of the Vietnam war -- people treated for schizophrenia when the problem was ptsd or bipolar, etc. ExBIL suspected the VA tended to try to hide or mask combat related MH issues. The alternative that he also considered was that VA psychiatrists in the hospital he did his rotation in were incompetent.

PunkHedgehog · 19/08/2014 15:56

"American isn't perfect, but it's pretty awesome. I'm sure you all feel the same about the UK."

That would be a no. Partly because we don't really use the word awesome - first contact with an alien might qualify for a genuine use of it, but otherwise it's only trotted out occasionally as a sarcastic expression of disappointment. Partly it's because feeling like that about your country just isn't The Done Thing. A small amount of flag waving is tolerated for major sporting events like the Olympics or World Cup (that's football [soccer] unless another sport is specified) but generally overt national feeling is viewed with suspicion.

We mostly like our country - apart from the politicians, and the weather, and the cost of houses, and the state of the roads, and the trains... - and of course it's better than the alternative, but it wouldn't do to go round telling people that. Exceptions are allowed, and indeed expected, for much more local pride if you are from specific areas. For example if you were born in Yorkshire, you are legally obliged to mention it to any new aquaintance and state that nowhere else is quite as good; particularly if you suspect they may be from Lankashire.

Online shopping
All the big supermarket chains have an online shopping/delivery service, and there's also a separate company (Ocado) that used to be affiliated to one of the supermarkets but is now a separate online-only service. A few smaller shops will deliver as well, but often only over a small area.

Sales tax
Or VAT as we call it, it included in the ticket price of items, not added when you get to the till. It's usually 20% but some things, such as gas (not petrol - the genuinely gaseous gas that is piped into your house to run your central heating and cooker) qualify for a lower rate. The minimum level is 5% on any item that is subject to VAT, but things considered to be 'essentials' are exempt and no VAT is charged on those at all.

The definition of 'essential' is not straightforward. Clothes and shoes for children are essential; those for adults are not. Neither household gas nor sanitary protection are essential, although both qualify for a lower rate. Building a new house - no VAT; renovating an old house - VAT. Books and newspapers are essential but there are regular attempts to reclassify them. Food is essential; luxury food is not essential. What's a luxury? Good question. Fruit, veg, bread, that type of thing are all essentials. Biscuits are essential. Chocolate biscuits are a luxury, but chocolate cake is an essential - that led to a famous court case in which a giant jaffa cake was made and brought into court to prove that it is indeed a cake, not a biscuit, so not subject to VAT.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 19/08/2014 15:56

I notice no-one has answered the enquiry made some pages back about class yet.

One answer is "Yes. It's very important here in the UK". But invariably it's something that's unconscious/subconscious/not spoken about openly. As in many places, the majority of the population are "working class" but the signifiers are very, very subtle and often based on your job/profession, your parents' job/profession, the particular words you use for things, how you dress, where you live and how you hold your knife at table. People often claim to not care about such things but they can and do make judgements about people based on their perceived class. We can be especially scathing about people who self-identify as middle-class but reveal their true origins as lower-class by subtle dead giveaways like their table-manners, how they address people who they think are lower down the scale than they are or ape the manners of those they think they are equal to.

One of the things I noticed myself when visiting the US is that hardly anyone who was white would acknowledge that they were "working class" and that particular term was pretty much only ever used to describe African Americans. White people invariably described themselves as "middle class" regardless of their background, educational attainments or what their parents did for a living.

Has anyone mentioned the very different meanings of the word "quite" on here yet?

mathanxiety · 19/08/2014 15:59

Using your phone to text while driving will get you pulled over and ticketed in my state. If you talk on the phone it has to be hands free. Fines start at $294 and then you pay court costs on top of that. If you have any other infractions such as failure to show proof of insurance, driving a car with expired reg, or driving with an expired licence or none at all, you are looking at a cumulative fine up to $1k.

*I know this because I was recently a witness to a minor accident and sat in a courtroom watching the morning's proceedings while waiting for 'my' case to be called.

Actually I am always wary of cars with Florida plates, partly on the advice of a friend who lives in Orlando and partly based on my own observations.

You do not want Taco Bell! It is not food.

SconeRhymesWithGone · 19/08/2014 16:10

Actually, most Americans of every race would describe themselves as middle class, even upper class folk. That's why every politician, including Barack Obama, can talk about helping the middle class. We might refer to "blue collar" or "white collar" jobs, but the blue collar factory worker may actually make more money and have the same education level as the white collar civil servant.

On a thread on here one time about the TV show "Frasier," a UK poster mentioned something about Frasier and Niles being middle class and their dad Martin, a retired policeman, being working class. This indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of class in the US. Both would be considered middle class.

Having said this, we do differentiate among lower-middle, middle-middle, and upper middle.

CheerfulYank · 19/08/2014 16:12

Go to Chipotle for good Mexican :)

Our middle class is your working class, though, and it's a huge span. Our upper class is your middle class or upper middle class because we don't have an aristocracy.

Middle class in the US is a house in the burbs, decent jobs (but these can be "blue collar" or working class jobs), decent car, naice parents.

wobblyweebles · 19/08/2014 16:15

Partly it's because feeling like that about your country just isn't The Done Thing

Yet as soon as you criticise the UK they defend it to the hilt... :-)

tabulahrasa · 19/08/2014 16:22

The class thing... I think nowadays it's very hard to identify even your own class if it's working or middle, home ownership used to be a clear marker, but it's not anymore. Certain jobs/professions used to be either one or the other but aren't anymore.

IME older people want to be middle class and younger working even if the markers indicate otherwise...

When it comes to more subjective things like manners and words - I think the extremes are obvious, but in the middle there's a huge range where no -one really knows anyway, lol.

For most people, no, it's not a huge thing in everyday life and it's just the sort of thing you muse about on forums.

Though of course that could just be because of my class (whatever that is) and there are in fact huge swathes of people I don't mix with who are really aware of things like that.

grocklebox · 19/08/2014 16:22

but aibu and chat are understood by most people on both sides of the ocean?

AlpacaMyBags · 19/08/2014 16:24

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CheerfulYank · 19/08/2014 16:26

Class here is basically Filthy Rich Assholes, a huge Middle Class (and I've known people who were on benefits whom I would still classify as "middle class" actually) and then whatever your regional term is for, sorry, "chav". When I grew up it was white trash or trailer trash or "ghetto".

In my part of the US it's no crime to be poor but it is the height of shame to be lazy. This applies to both poor and rich. If someone is born to money and does nothing for it they are thought of with as much derision as someone who doesn't work and never has and relies on " state money".

mathanxiety · 19/08/2014 16:27

Taco Bell food is mainly silicone filler.

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