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BIL/SIL- are we being unreasonable? (warning- very long)

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iamsoannoyed · 16/08/2014 16:12

This is more of a vent than AIBU. I know it's a difficult situation all round and we are all probably being a bit unreasonable.

I've posted about BIL/SIL before. SIL has a progressive degenerative disease, BIL is her main carer (their choice, they have refused to have help) and they have a large family (6 children). We had a problem earlier this year, as for a number of years now BIL has unable to work the family farm due as he was caring for his wife(FIL signed it over equally to DH and BIL), leaving DH to do it all. There were issues as DH was exhausted by doing all the work but BIL not happy to pay someone to do his share of the work.

Anyway, we have recently bought out their share of the farm, after a long tussle all round as to what was best. I know BIL/SIL were not entirely happy with the situation, and relations between us have been strained. As BIL refused to consider all other options we had to say "either you buy us out, we buy you out or we force the sale of the farm to a 3rd party". BIL could not raise the cash to buy us out, so we bought him out. PIL were upset, but understood things could not carry on as they were, and FIL in particular was angry that BIL would not agree to any other form of compromise that would allow the shared partnership to continue.

SIL is not so well at the moment, and I know she has been relying on MIL to do a lot of extra childcare. Totally understandable, and I am fully aware their arrangements have nothing to do with me. It does mean DC's have seen less of their GPs than normal, but that's not a big issue really and we all understand that at the moment that's kind of the way things are.

I have a conference (3 days- but will be away 4 nights) coming up which is for work, it was arranged a while ago and PIL have agreed to take our DCs while DH gets on with work- they are going to stay at my parents holiday cottage for 10 days and DCs are very excited about this. I should point out that our DCs are only going to spend 4 days with PIL, and then go to my parents for 3 days, who are then going to bring them home. PIL are then going to have the other 6 days as a break on their own. PIL have also said they are looking forward to spending time with their DGCs and to getting a break on their own.

PIL volunteered to take them away, that was not our idea and we would have been happy if they had only been looking after them during the day time when DH was working (and obviously if they hadn't wanted to look after the DCs, we'd have organised some other form of childcare).

Anyway, BIL and SIL are now kicking up a fuss as they want MIL to look after their DCs that week- they have known about this for ages and have had plenty of time to arrange something else. They "forgot" apparently, and now don't want to look elsewhere as "nothing good" will be available at this short notice.

They think as PIL will not lose any money on the cottage as it is owned by my parents, they should just cancel. SIL has said she can't understand why we always get "preferential treatment" and nobody ever thinks about all the extra needs she has. I know the recent situation where PIL essentially "took our side" must make them feel raw, but PIL have done an awful lot for us all and don't deserve to be put in the middle of this. If anything, until recent events I'd say theve done more for BILs family than for DH and our family (and I don't have an issue with that, just stating a fact). This includes building BIL/SIL a custom designed house shortly after SILs mobility became problematic, as well as doing a lot of childcare over the years.

PIL are adamant they are going, but MIL feels guilty that BIL/SIL feel that way and doesn't want any more upset in the family. FIL feels angry that BIL/SIL are being manipulative and has told them so. I think things may have got quite heated, but as neither I, DH or MIL were there at the time, I can't be sure.

SIlL has since phoned and demanded I tell PIL that we have found alternative childcare, so don't need them anymore. She says she's fed up of DH coming before BIL, and our DC "have got everything". Not only that, she is "flabbergasted" that we would expect her and BIL to have to arrange extra childcare on top of everything else they have to deal with- they thought PIL would want to be there for them at this time and are hurt they would want to take our DC away when they and their DCs need help.

I'm afraid I wasn't very diplomatic, partly because I'm fed up of them refusing to take responsibility for anything and partly because I felt that she was laying it on a bit thickly. I said that I had no intention of telling PIL any such thing and that as I don't interfere with their arrangements with PIL, I don't really see why they should interfere with ours. I also said that they have had plenty of time to arrange childcare, and I don't see why my DCs have to miss out on their time with their GPs. I got quite cross, but was not rude and didn't shout. SIL said we were all being "selfish" and then hung up. BIL then phoned DH and PIL saying I'd upset SIL and "that's the last thing she needs".

I might be more understanding if this had been a last minute plan, or BIL/SIL hadn't been able to find childcare despite trying exhaustively. But as they haven't I feel it's a bit of a piss-take. I also think my DC should get time to spend with their GPs, and that to cancel would be unfair. On top of all that, PIL deserve a break- recent events and looking after their grandchildren more often has taken it's toll. I think it is selfish of BIL and SIL to expect the entire family to revolve around them, when they have the ability to get extra help but refuse to do so.

That said, I think BIL and SIL are both quite stressed, and I know are quite resentful towards us following recent events which is colouring things. I was a bit sharper than I'd intended to be with SIL and I didn't intend to upset her. DH agrees with me on the whole, but does feel guilty that BIL thinks he is being favoured by their parents.

I saw them today when they came round, and SIL started up again about us cancelling this. I said I had said everything I had to say on the matter when we last spoke about it, and thought we should leave it at that. SIL then burst into tears and they left. I now feel bad about upsetting them, but also angry with them.

I don't think we've been unreasonable not to cancel arrangements, and I do get why they feel the way they do, even if I don't agree with them.

I think it would be better if we just let things settle between us all, and gave BIL/SIL some space- DH wonders if we should "do more". I'm not in favour of this, as past experience suggests if we start down that road again, it will just prevent them getting the help they need and it will become expected that we'll do whatever they need regardless of the effects it has on us and our DC (which is what happened with the farm business). Also, as we both work full-time what we could do is actually quite limited. I'm happy to help out in emergencies, or now and again- just not for it to become a "drop everything every time they call situation" which is what I fear it would become.

AIBU?

PS Sorry for the epically long post!

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SweetsForMySweet · 16/08/2014 18:25

YANBU. Sooner or later your BIL/SIL will have to accept/look for outside help, your PILs won't be able to keep being their stop gap forever. Especially as the children and your PILs get older and SIL's condition deteriorates. The whole issue with the farm has been resolved, they had choices and in the end, forced your DH's hand and forced him into an awkward situation. They are burying their heads in the sand and it's about to come to a head. Your PIL need a break even if you BIL says he can manage, they can't. Can her parents help out for the week? Fwiw, I don't think your PILs are favouring either son, they are doing their best for both. Your BIL/SIL are being very ungrateful, I'm sure your PIL are doing more than their fair share to help where possible.

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Itsfab · 16/08/2014 18:28

YANBU

You should never give in to bullies or manipulators and your BIL and SIL are both.

Presumably your PIL are adults, therefore they get to chose what they want to do and maybe you ask them if they'd rather help the BIL this time you understand?

Are your SIL and BIL trying to assert themselves as favoured children, more deserving children or just want lots of people pandering to them?

If they chose not to buy in help then they can't complain when they left with no help.

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doziedoozie · 16/08/2014 18:28

They are being difficult unnecessarily.

But they prob have a lot of anger and sadness about their future which they aren't voicing.

Possibly one or other of them is plain jealous of your family going away and having fun, imagine....... they will never do this again as a family (or they will but with one in a wheelchair)....... and are making this difficult to get back at you.

You just have to put your best face on and not rise to the bait. Just say nothing, but stick to your plans.

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clam · 16/08/2014 18:29

I too remember your previous thread. It's very sad about your SIL's condition, but as others have said, that doesn't mean she's not chancing her luck and being petulant and demanding now.

Well done for keeping it all in perspective and sticking to your guns. You sound very reasonable and sensible to me.

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flyingtrue · 16/08/2014 18:29

I think maybe this may help SIL/BIL to acknowledge that. It is lovely when family can help each other but but it shouldn't compromise or break the whole family. If they have the offer of help, it's actually a bit selfish to ignore that and expect your family to jump to instead. If they had no offered help then that would be different but to turn it down out of pride and expect everyone else to suck it up and pick up the slack- especially when it's a struggle- is unfair.

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addictedtosugar · 16/08/2014 18:32

Another one saying I remember your thread about buying out the farm, and I'm glad you've got to a conclusion which hopefully is working well for you and DH.

There are 2 issues I can see with the current arrangement: PiL looking after your kids for 4 days, and PiL extending the stay to have a total break. Are both of these a problem? Or is it the total of 10 days which is causing BiL/SiL a problem?

I also think that your PiL are entitled to a break at times. Why can't SiL family help out? If this is about school summer holiday care, there are 6 weeks. Your PiL will already be covering 4/6 weeks. That is more than half the time. Sounds like they are getting (and need) more than half the resources. Not that you are getting the lions share of assistance.

Do I remember that FiL likes helping out on the farm still? Are they seeing that as assistance, rather than FiL keeping his hand in on his life's work?

What have PiL said about things? What do THEY want to do?

Thanks it sounds like its going to be tough, whatever the outcome is.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 16/08/2014 18:38

I also am glad the ownership is resolved as I was 100% in favour of you buying them out.

I think it's bloody rich though to expect your PIL and kids to give up their holidays just to service their childcare needs. Tell them to ask SIL's family for some help if they can't see to spending some money on support. I hope your PIL don't run themselves into the ground looking after their kids, they are also entitled to some peace and quiet and it should be their choice not their responsibility.

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Nanny0gg · 16/08/2014 18:38

Thing is, if they have the resources for private help, it won't be 'strangers' except at the beginning.

And it could also end up as far more reliable.

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HappyAgainOneDay · 16/08/2014 18:41

Your BIL and SIL have six children. How old are they all, please? 2 years or so between each one?

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Rainbunny · 16/08/2014 18:43

YANBU! I'm glad your PIL are sticking to the original plan and going away with your DCs. They sound like they need a break themselves, your MIL especially sounds very stressed.

Does your SIL have family on her side that can help at all?

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LemonBreeland · 16/08/2014 18:46

YANBU another one who remembers the original thread. Your SIL is obviously still in huge denial, and much as I understand it is incredibly hard for her, she is being unfair to everyone, particularly her dh. He should not be made to cope with everything himself, and to push his family to help out so much.

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iamsoannoyed · 16/08/2014 18:48

Addicted

PIL want, and are planning to, stick with plan to go away.

FIL does still do some "work"on the farm- he is not expected to and has no commitments to do so- it is just he likes to keep his hand in. I suppose BIL might see this as helping DH- and I suppose it does help him when FIL does some work. But that help is not asked for, expected or demanded- it is what FIL wants to do.

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OwThatHurt · 16/08/2014 18:48

I'm glad you sorted the farm issue out. It was the only logical conclusion given your DBIL and DSILs refusal to compromise.

YANBU with this new situation and I think you were right to voice your opinion in reply to your DSILs phone call.

Hopefully things will settle down over time.

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pictish · 16/08/2014 18:52

I can completely understand why sil doesn't want carers or strangers in her home. In her shoes and given the choice, I wouldn't either.
However, their expectation that they can just lean on family to get by forever more is unrealistic in the extreme! They have six children!
They/she must wake up to the fact that their pils and you and your dh have lives of your own to live too!

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pluCaChange · 16/08/2014 18:53

It sounds as though they are punishing you all for... being well, "having choices" (not that they exercise their own), not being them while they are not in your position... all kinds of things.

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pluCaChange · 16/08/2014 18:58

Sorry, posted too soon.

However, they can't afford to be like that. This clash with the week of childcare from the PIL is just an example of how they can't afford not to plan everything. They can't afford to just "forget". It's worrying that the "hopeful" lack of planning could extend to her driving: what if she has an accident because they were too stubborn and/or shortsighted for her to stop driving? This sort of mentality creates emergencies, small and great.

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OcadoSubstitutedMyHummus · 16/08/2014 19:03

YANBU

I Remember your previous thread and am pleased the farm situation has been resolved. Your BIL and SIL probably think this all unfair because the dial had moved - previously they had it totally all their own way. Don't give in and don't offer loads of help as you would only run yourselves into the ground whilst enabling their denial.

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addictedtosugar · 16/08/2014 19:05

Sorry, I didn't answer the question.
YANBU.

I suspect BiL sees FiL on the farm as help, even tho it is not requested, or expected. Different line of work, but I see difficulties in getting my father out of the family business, because it has been his life. Its what he WANTS to do. But BiL will see it differently.

Sounds like you and PiL are all on the same hymn sheet. SiL IBU.

Hope the kids have a great time with their grandparents, and then PiL have a fab, relaxing break.

Is the conference going to be fun or hard work?

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iamsoannoyed · 16/08/2014 19:10

Happy

Their children are 18, 13, 11 year old twins, 8 and youngest is nearly 6.

Eldest is going to university this year, and is currently away with friends. Which I am glad about.

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iamsoannoyed · 16/08/2014 19:11

sugar

conference will be a bit of both, really. nice to get away for a few days, but working too!

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OcadoSubstitutedMyHummus · 16/08/2014 19:16

Well with those ages I don't see why they can't cope for 3 days on their own. It's not like they are all preschoolers.

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pictish · 16/08/2014 19:19

I assumed a gaggle of toddlers, preschoolers, and primary agers.

This hijacking of your pils is unnecessary.

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pictish · 16/08/2014 19:19

attempted hijacking that is...

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pictish · 16/08/2014 19:20

Your bil does not need his parents that week. This is all bullshit.

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Leeds2 · 16/08/2014 19:26

Stick to your guns, OP.

The four oldest children are capable of looking after themselves (in terms of entertaining and feeding themselves within the home), and I would've thought BIL could manage the two youngest by himself, possibly with the help of the older children. They do not need your PIL.

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