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I have a 9 week old puppy. She has cried ALL NIGHT. I am exhausted. AIBU to have her in bed with me?

77 replies

JustDontWantToSay · 13/08/2014 03:33

As the title says. I am desperate to sleep. But also desperate not to teach her bad habits :( She has a crate and this is the source of the problem :(

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Lonecatwithkitten · 13/08/2014 07:43

The top behaviourists actually recommend that your puppy starts off in your room and then once settled at night you gradually move it slowly to where you want it to sleep long term.
So the dog who lives with cats slept four nights in his crate in my room, then two outside my room, one on the top of the stairs, one on the turn in the stairs, two in the living room an then into the kitchen. Worked perfectly.

queenofthemountain · 13/08/2014 07:44

There is a special board for dog related issues.Maybe you ought to get this thread moved there.

IfUSeekAmy · 13/08/2014 07:50

I thought it was 8wks they usually go to homes too. My puppy was like this too, we got him last August and he barked every night in his crate for the first few days but I didn't want him to associate barking with attention otherwise I would have been up and down the stairs all night. I started staying up till midnight and getting up at 5/5.30 so he wasn't in there for too long and he soon settled down. The hard work in the beginning was worth it for the way he is now and he'll take himself off to bed at 8pm (he's not in a crate anymore) and will stay there for 12 hours. There is a substitute mother thing called snuggle puppy I think which might help with yours. Good Luck!

plumnc · 13/08/2014 08:01

Mine both started out downstairs - and ended up in bed ( rule now is on top of the duvet NOT under, and by our feet - don't want doggie bottom in my face)

If you are happy with her in bed, let her in if not, compromise and sleep on the sofa with her nearby to start with, then gradually separate.

PS mine is born to be a lapdog, he sits on our laps, curls up on the sofa and sleeps in our bed. He's a lovely sociable thing, Dogs are pack animals, so I figure they want to be with their pack ie us (that's my excuse anyway). He has learnt to be on his own too, though and we have no separation issues.

MyFairyKing · 13/08/2014 08:16

Photos or it didn't happen!

Bifflepants · 13/08/2014 08:19

We cracked on day 3, and she's been warming my toes every since. Wouldn't have it any other way.

SunshineAndShadows · 13/08/2014 08:25

Early maternal deprivation and lack of social contact is just as stressful in dogs and other animals as humans. A puppy alone and crying is just the same as a baby.

Crates should only be used once the pup is trained to them - the point is that they're a safe place the pup chooses to be in, not a cage to be locked away in. Supporting your pup's emotional development now, and gradually increasing his confidence to spend time alone will make him more confident and decrease his risk of future behavioural issues
Good luck!

Fudgeface123 · 13/08/2014 08:30

Ours wad put in a crate on the first night at 10 weeks. She cried all night, we ignored her. Second night and every night since she's been great and she's now 19 months. At nighttime she will not settle until we close the crate door, she has all her teddies in there and cushions. When she was younger she had a clock and one of our t shirts in with her. About 2 weeks ago we left the crate door open at night and she cried until we went down and closed it. She will go in the too when she wants a bit of me time

glammanana · 13/08/2014 08:42

We have only ever been told of one puppy we sold that cried all night and that was for 3/4 nights at the most,but going against what everyone suggest's is the right age I never let any of our Basset's go before 12 weeks and I think that makes all the difference to the puppy those few weeks make such a difference to a puppies confidence.I think your puppy will settle down during the next few days and cuddles in bed won't do any harm having the brains of a JR will make her easy to train I think so best of luck.

Alisvolatpropiis · 13/08/2014 10:22

If not on the bed itself have her little bed in your room. That's how we handled our jrt being unsettled in the night when we first got her. Well "we" did until dp with his soft as putty heart started putting her on the bed after I'd fallen asleep. Hmm

When we got our second dog this year, she was already able to jump on the bed so it seemed a battle we'd lose right from the start!

Fortunately both are very small dogs Smile

Babyroobs · 13/08/2014 11:15

Yes I would snuggle he rup with me in bed, poor little thing is probably missing her mum and siblings. If you don't want to do that have you tried leaving her with a jumper or smehting that smells of you. My dh slept downstairs on the sofa with our pup until she settled in!

Booboostoo · 13/08/2014 12:19

All of mine started sleeping on the bed, including our GSDs, and made their own decisions later on. It's not a problem in itself and can help reassure them just like it works with babies. With older dogs I have a few rules, if they want to sleep in the bed they are not allowed to bark, they must get off when asked to and they are not allowed to growl if anyone, human or dog, moves on the bed. If any of these things happen, I address the behaviour with training which may include loss of bed privileges.

You mustn't shut her in the crate until she is crate trained which usually takes a few weeks and is unlikely to have happened with a 9 week old puppy.

stardusty5 · 13/08/2014 12:25

Our dog started off sleeping in the kitchen but soon showed his disapproval for this with crying and banging. We had a phase of having him sleep on a dog bed in our room which was fine but his fidgeting and scratching still woke us.

We then put his bed downstairs and started leaving our bedroom door open to give him the illusion of choice Grin. He usually comes up with us for an hour or so and then potters off downstairs when he is sleepy. Peace for us!

FyreFly · 13/08/2014 12:37

Camsie 8 weeks is the standard age for pups to go to new owners. I've had all my dogs from that age and never had a problem.

I don't crate my dogs (wouldn't have the room for all of them!) and until they're fully toilet trained they sleep in the (newspapered) kitchen overnight. When they're young and new we use the hot water bottle and radio on a low volume. Apart from the odd little hoot they're usually pretty settled.

I don't let dogs on the bed, but that's a personal decision which you'll have to make OP. It may be that she'll refuse to go anywhere else once she's in there or it may be she can take it or leave it. Good luck, and I'm very jealous! :)

DartmoorDoughnut · 13/08/2014 15:38

YANBU

My two dogs slept in the bedroom on or off the bed, then moved them to a crate as they kept waking me up and they've just started sleeping downstairs a few months ago in preparation for the baby.

Comfort the pup and worry about training when the pup is settled :) oh and my collie is almost 9 and the terrier 3 so you can teach old dogs new tricks!!

Cocolepew · 13/08/2014 15:48

Bed. I brought our puppy in the first night. She crawled up the bed and , snuggled up against my head . She's been there ever since but lies on my feet now.

ADHDNoodles · 13/08/2014 15:57

8 weeks is standard, 12 is the recommended though and a reputable breeder will likely stick to 12. Puppies just cope better at 12 weeks, those 4 extra weeks really make a difference.

That said, can you put the crate in your bedroom so she's near you?

I really wouldn't allow the dog on your bed unless you're alright with them sleeping there. It's easier to establish good habits than to break bad ones.

Tiptops · 13/08/2014 16:00

YANBU.

Don't want you to feel guilty but IMO it is a bit cruel to separate a puppy from its home, mother and litter mates then expect it to sleep soundly alone. Much better to provide comfort and reassurance, then gradually increase the pups time alone.

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Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 13/08/2014 16:05

See this is why I could not dare have a dog. We are soft as shit and the cats sleep with us. Of course a puppy should snug to you.

What's with all this crate crap anyway. What was wrong with the good fluffy doggy smelly basket.

They are a family member not a milk bottle.

Dapplegrey · 13/08/2014 16:10

Both our whippets sleep in/on the bed. They make the best hotties on cold winter nights.

VinoTime · 13/08/2014 16:14

I got my Westie pup at 8 weeks. I was quite mean the first week and tuned out the crying so that she knew she would have to be by herself at times. Not only that, but I didn't much fancy cleaning piss out of my bedroom carpet Grin She settled really quickly though. Some dogs don't.

She's 8 months now. She splits her time between her bed in the hallway and tucked up under the covers with me - she has pillow space and everything. Generally speaking, as soon as my daughter's in bed she camps herself outside her door in a sleeping-yet-ready-for-danger position (very protective of dd), and when I start turning off the lights she knows that's her cue to jump into bed with me. I'm not allowed to close my bedroom door though. It has to stay open, y'know, in case of 'danger'. If I want it closed, puppy guards dd's door all night long.

She's bloody ruined. But she's the best dog and I just love her to bits.

Litttleredhen · 13/08/2014 16:21

Hi, think it depends what you want in the long run. My friends allowed their dog to sleep on their bed and now 12 years later they still have to share a bed with their rather smelly old terrier, otherwise it whines all night. In hindsight, they say they wished they had been stricter. With our labrador puppy, we found the ticking clock and water bottle worked well. You can also get little heat pads which you put in the microwave especially for puppies. We crated him in the utility from day one and then by six months he was out of the crate and just had a bed in there. We had some whining, but the breeder said just check ok, see if he needs a wee and place back to bed with no interaction or eye contact, a bit like toddlers. It's hard but it does work. At 18 months he now goes straight to the utility on his own at night when he sees us locking up and we all get good quality sleep!!

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