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Nightmare neighbour we rent wwyd

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BrewsterBabies · 29/07/2014 09:09

Hi there sorry for the long post and I know this is going to sound so petty but I've had enough of this neighbour .
We moved to this house 1 year ago and as soon as we moved in our ndn started constantly knocking telling us she is having this and that done to her property and would knock again to remind me fair enough ok to begin with
. Each time she has something done it requires someone to be down the side of our house up a ladder to her guttering or in our back garden . I did not have a problem with it at first I'd say yea sure that's fine even tho i knew I'd be taking the kids to school and whoever was doing the work would be in the way of my pram but they moved all there stuff each time little but annoying but ok.
Twice this happened in a matter of weeks . She then had railings put up out the front so the workman were in our garden again and parking over our dropped kerb even tho she has a ridicuolous massive drive so I had the hassle if my husband having the hump when he got in coz the builders wanted to argue with him about moving their van even tho it's blocking our property and all of them being in our front garden making it a mess whilst hers looked immaculate .

She then knocks again a few days later when I'm in the bath so kids answer age 10 7 and 3 she starts asking them for my mobile number so she can remind me she's having the bloke up the side of our house again my ds says I don't no it then starts shouting for me just to add they never answer the door but because they knew it was her they could .!! I come down in a towel and said yes do what u have to do . She then knocks the day before he comes again to remind me this is when I tell her she's got to stop knocking now as it's getting to me and that I want a bit of peace from having people in our garden and that we feel we are being pestered . We'll that didn't go down well she went on to tell me I cannot grow my plants up her fence in the back garden . So petty but hear me out . This fence is actually in the boundary of our garden so is legally our landlords but she decided to out a fence panel in it herself so she thinks that part of the garden is hers apparantly the reason she said this is because we fitted some metal trellis along the top all the way round our garden for extra protection from burgulars as our garden backs directly onto the street and not to grow plants up .
Dictating what I can and can't do it my own garden ! Anyway all ok for a few weeks then I get the call from the estate agents
You next door neighbours rung can she ..... I said no without even hearing what she wanted done obviously they have to ask our permission told what has been going on the past few months with her pestering us and not being able to live peacefully and us disturbed so they said ok they will let her know .
Didn't hear anything more about it so I went out with my parents for lunch . Come home and see a van parked over my drive blocking my car in and 2 men down the side of my house where the drain is.
I'm thinking they are trying to get in through the side gate gone running up and said what the bloody hell are u doing only to be told they are from the estate agents the neighbours rung to complain that her drains blocked and is saying it's us that's causing it !!!
They knocked at her house she never answers when she's home even tho she calloed them
Our drain was totally clear so it's not us causing the blockage they tried to tell her that but no answer so they said the office will ring what a fucking cheek she has .

A couple of weeks later I get another call about something she wants doing now and apparantly dues wrote a letter to the landlord asking to because we have said no and put our toto down . I've gone nuts at the agent slammed the phone down and gone to tell her what she is doing has to stop but guess what she wouldn't answer the door .
So I waited till she went out and come back then caught her when she was going in .
I'm not pleased that I shouted at her I did not swear once even tho I wanted to told her everything she has done and that just because we rent don't give her to right to think she can go over our heads to the agent and landlord as they still hav to ask our permission and we have as many rights as someone who owns which she dissagreed with argghhh .in the end I said you obviously gave some form of OCD and are obsessed with having things don't to your house please don't speak to me anymore and you are a busybody and went in . Here's an example of that ... Every Monday morning before the dustpan come she puts out 3traffic cones along the edge of the curb on the oath where her house is to stop the dust man pulling the bins on it and dustcart touching the kerb and stands there watching the poor buggers when they are trying to do their job it's cringing !!

Our landlord rang and wanted to come round to find out what's going on so we had a really good chat all he did was say all I can do is apologise for her behaviour all we care about is you so we will make it incredbally difficult for her now whenever she wants anything don't she has to contact me (landlord) and I have to be present all day watching them to make sure everything is cleared up properly and they are not taking the piss .

After she found that out haven't heard a thing this was 3 months ago now today the bloke who goes up the side of our house has turned up in his van and was looking down the side of our house before he started doing the work so I'm expecting a knock from him .

Should I tell him to tell her to fuck off she knows the rules now he obviously knows all about me from her too as she's a gossip

Just to add this woman is in her early 70s has all her marbles is mobile and out and about so it's not like she's some little old frail lady who needs help and doesn't no any better . She the type that rings up to complain about everything to the council about others and the estate agent about us

Quite a few more things have happened as well which I didn't add but this is the basic story as it's long enough already lol

Sorry for the rant thanks guys xx

[post edited by MNHQ]

OP posts:
londonrach · 29/07/2014 10:02

She sounds like a good neighbour. She's informing you of everything she's doing and maintaining the property. The boulders blocking the driveway se wrong but suspect that's just workman in hurry just parking. Fail to see the problem.

HaroldLloyd · 29/07/2014 10:06

If this escalates into a full blown dispute and OP behaves anti socially then yes the landlord might decide it's too much trouble and not renew.

I rent this house and I would be extra careful not to get into any petty disputes as it's not secure is it, when you own your own house you can run up and down shouting at people to your hearts content.

Maybe that's not fair but it might happen.

Vivacia · 29/07/2014 10:07

How do you think your neighbour feels about this OP? I'm just wondering because it's getting to you and I guess it's getting to her.

WeirdCatLady · 29/07/2014 10:11

YABVU and sound like a rather unpleasant neighbour. I feel sorry for the "old bag"

oldgrandmama · 29/07/2014 10:12

Well, I'm a 'old bag' (72 and a half) and I have neighbours. I think the OP has got herself in a little bit of a state about her neighbour. As other posters have said, she was given notice about work next door that would mean contractors being on OP's property. I really think OP is over-reacting where there's no necessity. Perhaps it's for the best that now the landlord and estate agent should be the conduit if neighbour wants permission for workpeople to be on OP's garden, but it's a shame it's come to this. I like the MNer upthread who suggested that an invitation to come round for a cup of tea and chat could have avoided all this.

Must add (polishing my and fellow residents' halos) in past years there have been a few problems with neighbours here - both renters and house owners, but ALL resolved with pleasantness, reasonableness and understanding by all parties, no offence meant or taken.

MidniteScribbler · 29/07/2014 10:19

MrsWinnebago a tenant is also under an obligation not to create problems for their neighbours, restrict legally required access (such as access for repairs, especially those that could impact on the property she is living in), behave in a socially acceptable manner (not yelling at the neighbour and telling them they have mental health problems). I would not evict, I would simply give notice to leave at the end of their lease. Tenants like this really are more trouble than they are worth.

MrsWinnibago · 29/07/2014 10:25

They certainly have not been helpful to their neighbour that's for sure.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/07/2014 10:28

I'm not surprised she doesn't answer the door to you!

CarryOnDancing · 29/07/2014 10:35

You sound like a PITA. You rent and don't have to deal with house issues. This woman is entitled to do whatever she wants to her property, especially if there's an issue. She is being courteous and you are being obstructive.

Really what is the inconvenient?

The fact you have to deal with a grumpy husband is an issue with your husband, not your neighbour. Maybe aim your frustration in the right direction?

mommy2ash · 29/07/2014 10:37

you do sound like a nightmare neighbour. I can't believe you screamed at her in the street over access to the side of your garden it's not like she punched your kid. poor woman

SignYourName · 29/07/2014 10:50

Okay, I can see both sides here. NDN is entitled to have work done on her property and to do so the workman need to have access. It does sound - assuming the OP isn't exaggerating for effect - that NDN has had a lot of work done in a comparatively short space of time, which can get very wearing to live with if there is near-constant noise and mess. It also reads as though NDN is instructing the workmen to use OP's property / access to keep her own as immaculate as possible.

OTOH the OP has gone off at the deep end and become obstructive and offensive and is now seeing things which the neighbour is doing correctly - e.g. giving advance notice of the works - as nuisance and inconvenience.

I agree that a neighbourly chat would probably have sorted this out amicably months ago, but it's probably gone beyond that now. The most civil approach would be for the OP to respond with "I have no objection so long as our property or access isn't inconvenienced, but you will need to double-check with the landlord as I can't permission on his behalf" and leave it at that.

SignYourName · 29/07/2014 10:52

give permission on his behalf

wowfudge · 29/07/2014 10:52

Well - you sound like a real charm school graduate OP! From the detail of your post, your neighbour has done all she can to be a good neighbour to you and keep you informed, etc.

When maintenance access for a property is via a neighbour's land, you do have the right in law to get access - the best way to achieve this is to agree it between neighbours. If you can't agree it, your NDN could get a court order and cause your LL a lot of trouble and incur expenses for him because of your unreasonableness.

Your post does read as though you have something of a chip on your shoulder about being a tenant when she is a homeowner taking pride in maintaining her own house. I can only think you have badly misconstrued her actions.

That said, you should have politely asked that she ensure all workmen do not restrict your access, park over your drive, etc., but if you haven't even mentioned this to her, she may not even have realised/seen it and your subsequent response to her has been to blow your top - she won't have understood where this is coming from.

As for the fence - do you have the deeds to the property and is it clear whose fence it is? If it is actually along the boundary line then the chances are it is jointly owned. If one of my neighbours stuck trellis on top of the fence between our gardens without discussing it with us first, let me tell you, I wouldn't be best pleased. You should have spoken with her about this before you did it. Her having a go about the fence was a mild come back given the way you have behaved.

So what about the binmen and the rest of it: it's nothing to do with you.

As for your LL making things incredibly difficult for your NDN from now on, well you just sound like bullies ganging up on her.

Honestly OP - re-read your post: you don't like the woman so anything and everything she does irritates you. You should apologise to her and make a friend of her instead of being so awful. I do understand you don't want constant interruptions, etc., but there are ways of achieving this and communication is the key.

God - that was nearly as long as the OP!

QuintessentiallyQS · 29/07/2014 11:05

As a landlord, I have given tenants notice if they were a nuisance to their neighbours, even if they paid rent on time. I just did not renew their lease, but asked them to leave at renewal time.

Seems like you would not want to renew your lease anyway, so no loss?

It seems like anti social behaviour on your part.

SiennaBlake · 29/07/2014 11:12

You lost me at the mental health accusations. Poor woman, trying to keep you informed and look what she ends up with.

winniepeg · 29/07/2014 11:15

Old bag is a horrible misogynistic term; you lost my sympathies and interest straight off...

jacks365 · 29/07/2014 11:17

When the railings were fitted on behalf of the ndn the workmen did the work from the ops side simply so the mess was on her side and the ndn garden stayed immaculate can anyone here honestly say that they would do that to one of their neighbours, it is the act of a selfish person who has no respect or consideration for anyone else.

Viviennemary · 29/07/2014 11:26

I skimmed through. She just sounds a bit of a general pain in the neck rather than a malicious type. Blocking in your car is certainly not on.

BrewsterBabies · 29/07/2014 11:28

I can see everyone's argument and appreciate all comments . As I said this was no issue to start with I was very accommodating to her I was a pleasant and nice neighbour but she basically took the piss . I had no problem with anything being done within reason but it was constant . I have always said from the beginning and even to her that if she needed something doing that required someone coming onto the property once a month to do the upkeep whatever it's no a problem .
But when someone's knocking on your door every week sometimes twice to basically TELL me not ask me what she is going to be doing then I think I have a right to say no as I just want to be left alone and not be pestered .
We are not bad tenants we will do anything to help anybody out but she is a very rude lady who just thinks of herself and not others around her there are no problems to be fixed in the first place I have no problem with her doing what she wants to her property as long as it doesn't effect us.

OP posts:
LIZS · 29/07/2014 11:31

I have no problem with her doing what she wants to her property as long as it doesn't effect us. But that is the whole point . If you are difficult it will eventually affect you and your ll. Next time she needs access, make a point of writing the dates, times etc down in front of her and say she doesn't need to remind you. btw suggest you ensure your dc don't answer the door if you are in bath etc

PleaseJustShootMeNow · 29/07/2014 11:42

When I had a fence put up at the front of my house the workmen worked from my neighbours side. This is normal and has nothing to do with keeping my own side tidier and everthing to do with fence rails usually being on the outside of the supports. It would be a nightmare to fit them from the inside.

Baaaaaaaaaaaa · 29/07/2014 12:11

Ha at least the OP gets asked. My neighbours are having an extention built and no-one has bothered to me for permission to enter my land to erect the scaffolding needed. As for the scaffolding that is now sitting on my roof causing broken slates and ridge tiles, well, let's hope they replace them.

OP, stop being so grouchy. Why not go round to your NDN and agree you both got off to a bad start. Tell her you find so much contact stressful and ask her to only inform you when she's having stuff done, then just to get on and do it instead of keeping you posted. I'm sure you're both very nice really :D

Floralnomad · 29/07/2014 12:29

TBH ,you sound like the nightmare neighbour not your NDN.

wowfudge · 29/07/2014 12:33

OP - you can't really object to being 'told not asked' as you put it when you have told your NDN you don't want her to remind about things, etc. Plus she probably thought as you were accommodating that if she just kept you informed, that would be fine as things were pleasant enough at the beginning. You've even told her someone can get access once a month then kicked off when someone did gain access when you were out and you've run up to them and shouted the odds at them. There's no pleasing you.

She's had quite a bit of work done to her house - a mixture of maintenance and improvements, but it cannot literally have been twice a week since you've lived there.

You have been really rude and nasty to her OP - you don't seem too bothered about whether you have been unreasonable or not, but I think I know who the 'rude lady' is, and it isn't your NDN.

hiccupgirl · 29/07/2014 12:34

I don't really get what the problem is tbh. It might seem to you that she's having lots of unneeded work done to her house but it's up to her if she wants to pay someone to do it. And she's just letting you know what's going on rather than you just finding someone down the side of your house. Maybe she's had problems with previous tenants and she thought letting you know what's going on would help keep better relations?

My NDN had loads of work done when he moved in, most of which I consider totally unneeded - re pointing the brickwork on a 60s house that is solid??? But it's his money so up to him. Most of the time he doesn't let me know anything and I'll get home to find my drive part blocked or workmen up against the back of the house. A bit annoying but not worth upsetting our good relationship for. He puts up with my small child making loads of noise, I put up with his random workmen popping up every now and again.