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To wonder why MNHQ still haven't given us our Chalet School topic?

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 12/07/2014 19:53

Because we probably shouldn't still be hanging out in AIBU, four (or is it five?) threads later.

I've been reading all the lovely transcripts, and although I started Prefects yesterday, I don't want to finish it, because it's the last one! :-(

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Vintagejazz · 14/08/2014 15:56

Yes I suppose there's some logic to the farming out of family members to different relatives and guardians, given the time and circumstances.

I can't understand, however, the casual way they almost forget people who they almost reared from childhood. In the Swiss and Island books Robin is barely mentioned; Madge seems to feel no more for Peggy and Bride than she would for any nieces after they return to live with their parents; Daisy is also not mentioned that much in relation to the family lives of Joey and Madge after she gets married; and I don't think Joey ever saw the Highland twins or Jacynth Hardy after they left school.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 14/08/2014 16:13

And Juliet? Doesn't she also disappear from view after she gets married? Though I suppose at least she gets to come to the reunion...

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 14/08/2014 16:15

It does feel, though, that the later books are written in a much more self-contained way. Maybe EBD/publishers thought readers wouldn't want too much 'letters from grown-up-gone-away' relatives? (And obvs, any air space available for such letters has to be devoted mainly to Jo, with a small helping of Madge.)

NCISaddict · 14/08/2014 16:53

I do think we forget sometimes that these books were written for children not adults, and children of a very different time to now. Pre war it was quite unusual for girls to be well educated so EBD would have been quite ahead of her time in assuming girls had a good education.
Even those that were published post war would probably have been written from a pre war mindset.
I certainly didn't notice the inconsistencies when I read them first aged 11 and any unfairness I assumed was 'of it's time' as with that of my other favourite books, What Katy did, Little House on the Prairie and Anne of Green Gables.

JuniperTisane · 14/08/2014 17:34

I think also that the children of the 1950s and 1960s reading the new stories as they came out were a whole generation away from the children of the 1920s and 1930s, maybe they were children of the original readers, with copies of the older stories in the house, but likely they were new to it as each book came out and had no affinity with or even knowledge of a lot of the original characters.

As adults, with access to the entire series at once in various formats, we can easily see the inconsistencies and miss the earlier stories but I would guess the average 10-12 year old in 1965 reading the last few may not know or care too much about it.

Stokey · 14/08/2014 21:02

Good point Juniper and NCiS. It's probably where all the tags come from as she needs an easy way to explain the back story each time last ke Margot's hard row to hoe, and Joey's laughing eyes.

NCISaddict · 14/08/2014 21:10

I wasn't reading them in 1965, I'm old but not that old.Grin

I also think that children don't always start a series at the beginning, I started the chalet school with the one where Naomi joins and was hooked but it took a long time to build up my collection so I didn't keep track of characters.

JuniperTisane · 14/08/2014 21:29

Blush I meant generally, not you personally, NCIS. Thats the point I was getting at though.

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Whyamihere · 14/08/2014 21:41

I started my collection from books bought at summer fairs- Eustacia was my first one, the rest I bought the Armarda editions when they published them, which wasn't in any particular order. I still remember the sheer excitement and anticipation of buying a new one I hadn't read. One of my favourite memories is getting £5 for Christmas and going to the shops to buy books, including the latest published Chalet one (which was Camp) and not being able to wait until I got home to read it. But I definitely didn't read the whole series in order until I was an adult, I was still buying the Armarda's as they published them well into my late teens Blush

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 14/08/2014 21:54

Trials was my first, too! I still have a sneaking affection for it, even though now I think it's one of the weaker/more problematic ones.

I think, as well as it being on the whole a more adult-reader perspective, "ooh, what happened to so-and-so" is a question that tends to arise when you have at least a vague overview of the whole series (which is of course more likely to be the case by adulthood - I read incompletely and in a truly bizarre order as a child, which I think is v normal). I do think they're v legitimate questions to ponder, though - and I think it's testament to the strength of the series, that there are different things adult readers can take from it that child readers don't/didn't, in spite of it hardly being great literature. So, while it's not really reasonable to wish EBD had written the books a bit more tailored towards what an adult woman 50+ years later wants to read, it can be quite enjoyable imo to discuss those wishes with others.

I suppose I'm also interested in what it is that I liked so much about the books as a child (several decades after they were written), and what it is that I still like now - esp as they carry a lot of political/moral ideas I don't agree with, wasn't raised with, and don't think can always be entirely brushed off as 'of their time'. So I do like picking over the contradictions and working out what I can easily ignore, what I think is surprisingly progressive, what makes sense in its original context. I think all these things are just as relevant in children's books as in adults. (Plus, I need to think about this with a view to maybe one day reading them with DS, who at 2 offered me a cup of "special milk" in the bath today - has he been reading over my shoulder??) For me, these are things which add to my enjoyment of the books, but I get that that's not the case for everyone.

A lot of the EBDisms, esp the age-related ones, escape my notice even now. They're yet another thing I feel conflicting things about, though: they're mostly inconsequential, they're sloppy, editing would have been a bigger deal in ye olden days of typewriters, she espouses the virtues of writing lists to keep things straight, schoolgirl readers probably shouldn't be 'taught' bad French, blah blah blah...

JuniperTisane · 14/08/2014 23:00

My first was Problem, nicked from my sister. I was certainly in primary school about 9? Next was Jo Of and after that I was hooked. I'm not entirely sure I twigged that the two books were set in different countries. It all just melded together in my eyes.

lessonsintightropes · 14/08/2014 23:12

Ou se trouve le thread de Chalet School? Does it exist yet?

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 14/08/2014 23:38

I suppose it is strange that we all still read the books and then pick over the characters and plots but that's a tribute to EBD really isn't it.

Vintagejazz · 14/08/2014 23:57

I agree. It shows how strong an impact the books had on us as children that we still want to read them and think about the characters and ponder their motivations. It's also interesting to note how differently you react to characters and storylines as a child and as an adult.
And it's always lovely to escape back into the world of your childhood for a while and touch base with that part of yourself.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 15/08/2014 00:23

Definatly.

As s child I yearned to go there and have a gentian cubicle and a life of praying, singing, sport and jolly fun.

And as an adult I would love to lock my dds there for safety and away from the perils of the real world. ( not really)

Love to see their faces at the cold baths and no makeup ha ha ha.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 15/08/2014 00:56

I wonder also if it's escapism for is too now.

Part of me yearns to not always be juggling work and kids but to be put to bed by my dh or an Anna and cosset when life is tough. To stay in bed after childbirth and have a real live nurse in the house looking after you for days on end and when you are getting to the stage where the children are no longer cute you pack them off to Hilda to sort out.

Mmmm, drifting off into a lovely dream. Grin

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 15/08/2014 01:14

Just finished Rebel Joey makes Mrs Linton wake up from her shock induced collapse by talking to her in her head girl tone. No singing this time. Brilliant.

Whyamihere · 15/08/2014 08:03

I loved them as a child initially because I read school stories, I desperately wanted to go to the Chalet school before I went to senior school because the one I was due to go to was quite rough and I think I'd have fitted in better at the CS (all be it in a Rosamund Lilley type of way), they gave me a comfort.

But I didn't carry on reading any of the other books but did with the CS, I think because there is a lot more depth, the characters are more fleshed out and there are all the non school scenes, then there are books like Exile which has some sheer genius (if unlikely) moments.

TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 15/08/2014 09:40

Grin at your DS, Nell - definitely a genius in disguise who has been reading over your shoulder. If only he were a girl, he could go to the CS and they would have to create Inter V just for him because let's be honest, it was just created to stop the triplets becoming Seniors at 12

The first CS book I ever owned was the one with the Passion Play (I can never remember which one's and Jo and which one's Jo of ), but I'm not sure if it was the first one I ever read - there were about five or six of them in my class library when I was in Y5, including that one, Princess, Eustacia and New House (which to this day remains my favourite), and I'm fairly sure there was a War one as well, but no idea which one. Then I got to Secondary School, and they had 17 (!!!!) of them (mostly Tyrol ones, with a bunch of earlier War ones (Exile, Goes To It, Highland Twins, Lavender), three random Swiss books (all hardbacks!!!!!) and Prefects). I remain convinced that in the seven years I was at the school, I was the only one who ever read them (and I read them all, in order, at least twice a year).

I recently started building up my own collection, and now have all of them (in paperback) up to Shocks apart from Jo to the Rescue which I can't find anywhere. I also have Triplets which was sent to me by mistake when I ordered Barbara but I'm not complaining since I only paid about £3 for it, and Triplets was going for three times as much...

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 15/08/2014 09:41

All those book titles were clearly meant to be in italics but I got my formatting mixed up...

Also, we're only about 50 posts away from needed a new thread - time to start thinking up titles?

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hels71 · 15/08/2014 09:54

When I went to uni the first thing I bought with my student grant (yes i am just old enough to have had a grant!!) was the paperback of Theodora which I read over and over...I then gradually got more and more as I found them in Smiths...claiming they were for my nieces (which I did not have!!!)......

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 15/08/2014 10:00

Yes thebody that's exactly the kind of escapism it is for me too, now. I know we've discussed before the extremely problematic nature of Jack and Jem dosing their wives and it absolutely is - but oh my god, some days I would kill for someone to take complete control and force me to rest, because I am so tired but can't quite justify taking responsibility for deciding myself that a day (or week Grin) in bed is what I must have. I suspect I wouldn't really like the reality (in any case, I have a distinct lack of partner - doctor or otherwise) but it's a very compelling fantasy.
I certainly didn't think of it this way at all as a child reader, and I don't think it's something put in there deliberately (even when it relates to a child character - I think all those girls who burst into tears in Miss Annersley's office and get taken off to bed to "have their sleep out" is the same pattern) but I think it makes perfect sense from what we know about EBD's life, that it would slip in there somewhere. Who better than a lifelong working spinster to idealise all those masterful doctor-men?

For me it was also escapism as a child. I read school stories indiscriminately and loved them - they seemed so exciting and so far removed from my own reality. I (thought I) loved the idea of boarding school and all their odd customs and mealtimes and gymslips. I suspect there would have been a different kind of escapism for more contemporary child readers? The foreign locations and the amazing food (esp in contrast to wartime/postwar Britain) must have made it pretty much as exotic then as it seemed to me in the 1990s.

I think her characters were beautifully fleshed out, though I was thinking on the way to nursery this morning how that changes over the series: for me, her very best schoolgirl characters are the earliest (Jo to some extent, but more especially Grizel, Juliet and Cornelia), then she moves into more likeable-but-samey territory (often these were my favourites as a girl who imagined being their friends - Daisy, Gay, Jacynth, Bride, Tom, the various Chesters and Lucys etc), then finally into a quite episodic style where characters only seem to take much of a role for a single book, unless they're Mary-Lou or the trips.
Her mistresses seem to peak a little bit later - apart from Madge, her earliest ones are a bit hard to get a proper sense of IMO (Mlle Lepattre, Miss Maynard, Miss Carthew) - it's a few books in before you see the arrival of Bill, Miss Annersley and Miss Stewart who become quite dominant for the rest of the Tyrolean books. And then eventually they all become likeable but almost identical Old Girls, who always temper justice with mercy, are strict in lessons but poppets out of them, and marry doctors. I don't think Con Stewart, who is supposedly popular without being particularly fair or poppet-like, would have been written in the later books.

And her non-schoolgirl, non-mistress characters tend to blur into each other - identikit doctors, Anna-Rosli-Rosa, Karen the cook who manages to clone herself so she can be in both schools at once etc.

Should we be moving out of AIBU for the next thread? In spite of MNHQ's abject failure to provide a purpose-built new Chalet for us?

Vintagejazz · 15/08/2014 10:10

I was about to ask the same question Nell. Not sure what we should do re a new thread. I'm afraid it might just peter out if we move to Chat, and would love a Chalet School sub topic in the fiction section. Then we could have threads for fanfic, the Tyrol years, The War years, the Swiss years etc.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 15/08/2014 10:16

I'm rereading Island atm and actually I really like the portrayal of Jo as a mother at the start of it. It's a quite nice, low-key scene in which Jack and Jo seem to have a fairly nice relationship, Jo speaks about the teething child (Mike? I've forgotten which already) lovingly and from the perspective of someone who's actually been looking after him and not just dropping him with the coadjutor 23 hours a day.

Thereafter, though, the book becomes rather CS-bingo-like: Jo is wholesale, Miss A has never yet needed glasses, mistress engaged to a doctor, justice tempered with mercy, everyone adores Madame, blah blah blah.