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To wonder why MNHQ still haven't given us our Chalet School topic?

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TheObligatoryNotQuiteSoNewGirl · 12/07/2014 19:53

Because we probably shouldn't still be hanging out in AIBU, four (or is it five?) threads later.

I've been reading all the lovely transcripts, and although I started Prefects yesterday, I don't want to finish it, because it's the last one! :-(

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TooSpotty · 12/08/2014 14:12

That sounds like an excellent holiday, Cerita.

You know, I've just realised that although I know most of the earlier books practically by heart, I've only ever read the late ones (post Triplets really) once each, when they first came out in Armada, and ditto most of the holiday ones. And I feel no need to ever read them again either. Whereas I caught sight of my HB Three Go this morning and was almost tempted to sit down and get stuck in then and there.

DeWee · 12/08/2014 16:09

Stokey I find it frustrating in a couple of the books where things are hinted of that will provide interest later-and hardly get mentioned again. Is it Prefects where there's that big thing about wanting a motor boat at the beginning and it even says something along the lines of "X was not satisfied

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 16:20

cetita so jealous.

Yes the trig, sonsy etc are strange.

I am currently hiding in the bedroom reading exploits and wondering what Runner neck left footed glump actually means. It's bad cos Charlie's disgusted.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 12/08/2014 16:22

I hate the cheek of Joey criticising Sybil to Madge's face.

Huh has she met her Margot!

Stokey · 12/08/2014 16:34

Yes Sybil is very hard done by - she deserves her own book where she gets to squash a Maynard.

I'm still fuming at Margot getting off scot-free in triplets.

And what did Jack Lambert ever do to suddenly be form prefect?

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/08/2014 16:34

Cerita I am v jealous, of all of it but especially the actual sheltering in a hut!

I wonder if contemporaneous readers were more keen on EBD's favourites? I know we've had a number of people on this thread who liked Jo, at least, as child readers. (I was less opposed to her then, but she's never been someone I particularly liked - I suppose as a child, I thought of her as someone I wouldn't much like IRL, and now as an adult I dislike how she occupies centre stage and how all other characters seem to adore and need her.) I don't dislike Len, apart from her engagement, but she's a long way from being a favourite of mine - even for the later books, where the competition is hardly much.

On the proliferation of boy names, and (related, I think) tomboy characters - I'm not at all familiar enough with girls own, beyond CS and very vague memories of EB, to be certain of this, but I think it's very characteristic of the genre. I'd personally quite like to read lesbian or gender-bending subtexts, and/or subversive awareness that the possibilities for boys were far greater than those for boys, and accordingly the possibilities for boyish girls, or boy-named girls, were greater, but I don't think that's at play here.
I do have to say that I really like EBD's sense of balance here - the boyish shorts are always counter-balanced with more feminine names (Daisy, Rosalie, Sybil), it's OK to be a tomboy (and you don't need to grow out of it - Tom still appears to be a v masculine character as an adult, and Nell and Nancy at times are written quite butch I think), it's equally OK to be more traditionally feminine (contrast EB's treatment of stupid fluffy girls), there's no obvious correlation between boyish/girlishness and cleverness, or being a nice person, and when Tom arrives full of crap about male superiority Matey (as well as the other girls) promptly squashes it. I think there are plenty of much later books with much more damaging messages in this respect.

I find some of the dropped threads really frustrating. I often get the impression - with the exceptions of Exile and Three Go - that EBD wrote very much on the hoof, with little to no planning, and no redrafting either. I think there are positives to this - I think often her characters are so good that 'lazy' writing enables them to better shine than when she's clearly consciously got a certain bee in her bonnet and writes lengthy speeches about the virtues of domestic science or whatever - but, especially if the hinted-at story sounds particularly interesting, it is v annoying to see it suddenly forgotten about.

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/08/2014 16:36

I love Sybil. I wish she got a fuck-you-Joey happy ending. (I don't even know what exactly I want her happy ending to consist of, and tbf whatever it was it would probably trump "living next door to a school you just can't let go of, even though all the current students think of you as a bit batty and try to avoid you".)

Stokey · 12/08/2014 19:46

[Grin] Nell

I like to think she became a super model putting paid to all their looks don't get you anywhere, earned a fortune and had quads with some gorgeous actor before retiring to the south of France to open a needlework school.

Good point about the juxtaposition of girly names. Sybil was on my girl's shortlist but a bit too Fawlty Towers for DH.

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JoanBakersShopCake · 12/08/2014 20:16

Sounded like a fab holiday, Cerita !

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/08/2014 20:37

Ha! Yes, quads - the ultimate revenge.

I have IMed you waswondering.

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hels71 · 12/08/2014 21:25

As a child Mary-Lou and Joey were my favourite characters...I am much less impressed as an adult (although I do Like M-L in Three go).

mopsytop · 12/08/2014 22:18

I liked Rosamund Lilley and Katherine Gordon the best. The snobbery surrounding Joan Baker though!

JoanBakersShopCake · 12/08/2014 22:25

Agreed Grin

NellWilsonsWhiteHair · 12/08/2014 22:33

I liked Simone, and Clem. The quieter, second-in-command types. I remember liking Josette, too, but I'm not sure why - probably it was just her name. Blush And another vote for Ros Lilley. And Corney. Corney is still one of my favourites, after Grizel and Juliet.

Stokey · 13/08/2014 10:36

I think I did like ML as a child and was quite fond of Con as I wanted to be a writer. Now I find her rather two-dimensional ironically. I also like Rikki Fry, Clem and Grizel.

Has anyone read Althea recently? It reads like a chapter is missing. One moment Val is a bit peeved with Althea in the dorm and the next Len is pondering their feud. And who is Marie-Claire who is suddenly teething in the Freudesheim nursery?

EatingMyWords · 13/08/2014 10:44

I've just re-read Althea and thought that too, maybe it's a cut bit from the hardback? Marie-Claire is an adopted baby from a previous book with a weird plot!

RobinHumphries · 13/08/2014 10:58

Marie-Claire....
Joey is in London (I think she has been helping M-L or something) and gets accosted by a girl who claims Joey as a brevet Aunt. Turns out girl is Erica Standish, parents have both recently died and have left Joey as the guardian. Joey takes Erica back to the CS and whilst they are travelling the train crashes. Erica is rescued first and given a baby to hold. Joey is then rescued and gets baby off Erica. Turns out baby is also an orphan. Joey pulls strings and becomes temporary guardian of baby (Marie-Claire). Later we meet Marie-Claires remaining relatives who aren't suitable in Joey's eyes so she becomes the official guardian.

Joey also decides Marie-Claire isn't a good enough name so shortens it to just Claire Angry

RobinHumphries · 13/08/2014 11:08

Robin was always my favourite character. She may have been cloyingly, nauseously sweet but this was tempered with her tragic history.

My other favourite characters were Margot and Sybil. I thought those characters were interesting as they had faults. I also thought they were very misunderstood (although Sybil seemed to "conform" by the end and become boring)

Vintagejazz · 13/08/2014 11:31

Sybil had great potential in the earlier books, but then EBD just dumbed her down totally and she became just another boring innocuous Russell/Bettany/Maynard. I like Bride and Vi Lucy. I also really related to Verity when I was a child.

Vintagejazz · 13/08/2014 11:31

Oh and I really like Daisy as well. In fact I think she might be my favourite amongst the school girls.

Stokey · 13/08/2014 11:50

Thanks for the "Claire" plot summary, think it must be in summer term which is missing from the TS.

And of course how could we forget you Robin as one of our favourites? I really like the relationship between Robin and Daisy in the early Welsh books, would have been great to have that expanded.

Vintagejazz · 13/08/2014 11:55

The early Welsh books are brilliant. I love the sisterly relationship between Robin and Daisy and even find Joey quite normal and believable in them. I think Madge provided a bit of balance and often pulled Joey up when she was being too outspoken or childish. It was a big mistake to write her out of the books as Joey just became more and more cocky and unconditionally adored by everyone.

ToniWol · 13/08/2014 11:56

Con and Verity are my favourites. I think because the daydreaming/mooning reminds me of myself...

Anyway. Back from Guide Camp. Sadly no hornets or pits but I believe we had girls falling in the water at the water activity centre and lots of small girls getting wet because of touching the sides of the tents when raining. I would have amazed everyone with my golden voice as well had the bump not decided to use my diaphragm as a punching bag.

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