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...to feel like I'm on a one woman crusade.

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GroupieGirl · 12/07/2014 18:18

Firstly, I'm well aware that this particular crusade is championed by many women and men!

But, my God, I have been surrounded by ignorant bigots this week. There was the taxi driver who seemed friendly at first, but became surly and monosyllabic when I not only refused to agree that "this gay thing is disgusting" but had the temerity to argue with him that, in my opinion, what goes on behind closed doors between two or more consenting adults has absolutely no effect whatsoever on him.

Then there was the sandwich marker in Subway who asked whether the kid's pack had ordered was for a boy or a girl. I queried why this mattered and was told that they had specific bags for boys and girls. When I pushed him, he conceded that he meant pink and blue. Looked at me like I was one of Those Wimmin...then handed me a green bag.

By the time I reached the card shop and was confronted by a particularly eye-grabbing card which said something like "Reasons why men like BLOW JOBS" I was all out of fight. My daughter is four, and unlikely to be able to read 'blow jobs'...but I really wouldn't have wanted to have to explain it to her if she were a little older.

Please tell me that the world is not completely populated by ignorant morons?!?!

And, if you would, reassure me that I'm not the only person who gets bolshy and challenges things with which I disagree?

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slug · 17/07/2014 12:10

Oh dear. Squigglysquid really needs to read Delusions of Gender whereupon the truly excellent Cordelia Fine (PhD in Cognitive neuroscience) dispels the myths along with a lot of science to back them up which you are spouting all over this thread.

Incidentally, Cordelia Fine is the daughter of Anne Fine, writer of the hilarious "Diary of a Killer Cat"

spence24 · 17/07/2014 12:43

If there are green bags available, why did the Subway guy ask "boy or girl?" - surely, "Pink, Blue or Green Bag?" is more appropriate.

I was infuriated the other day when I bought Lego in Asda for my DSD and it came up on the self-checkout as "Boys Toy", when it could just as easily have been programmed in as "Lego".

It's all down to the individual really. I'm not overly feminine, neither is DSD. My best friend's 3-year old DS can be regularly found pretending to breastfeed his dolls, while his two year old sister plays with cars. As long as child has access to the toys they are interested in playing with I don't see the issue.

Forcing a gender stereotype on the other hand really bugs me.

northlight · 17/07/2014 13:22

Poppy

The world genuinely is full of very 'special' people. Including my BIL who has ranted at his lovely wife for letting their son watch 'Everything's Rosie' on cbeebies because it will turn him 'gay'. DN is just 22months old.

This raises a thought. I've often wondered why sludge coloured clothing for little boys is so prevalent. Could it be because fathers take more interest in their children and some of them hold the same views as your BIL? The same would go for gendered toys. Even if they are only a subset of fathers, their views might be deferred to by others. I seem to see a lot of fathers with mini me sons around these days, more so than with mothers/daughters in fact.

I was in Amsterdam the other week and children seemed to be dressed in a wider range of colours - and looked more individual.

PhaedraIsMyName · 17/07/2014 19:44

Theo "moron" is a horrible word. It is in the same league as Mongol and Spastic

From wiki
"Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild intellectual disability.[1] The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement.[2] Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term"

I suggest you and the OP read the whole article as both of clearly need a bit of enlightenment. In the case of the OP I assume she is too busy finding the mote in the eyes of others to see the beam in her own.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)

Ifyourawizardwhydouwearglasses · 17/07/2014 21:17

Exactly Groupie - gay women are not 'more masculine' just as gay men are not 'more feminine'

But they are quite often though. But why would this be a problem, or something not to be admitted? Just part of life's rich tapestry to me.
I have 3 close friends who are gay. 2 are much more effeminate than my straight friends, 1 is not.

I strongly consider myself to be a feminist, but to me, feminism doesn't mean that men and women are The Same in very way, as they're clearly not. It DOES mean that they are of equal merit and standing in the world, but perhaps for differing reasons.

LOVE that flow chart btw. Is there one for mens' and womens' jobs?

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