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To have just spent three hours working out 'Let It Go' on piano?

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VolDEmortIsOnMyLaminateList · 09/07/2014 20:43

That's three hours I'll never get back. Oh well...guilty pleasures! Grin

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greenbananas · 10/07/2014 21:27

Isitmylibrarybook, I sort of think in shapes which are hard to describe because I don't really have any formal music training. I had to think hard to even understand your post! Do 're mi means almost nothing to me (just reminds me of that song from the sound of music).

I can work out most ordinary songs by ear fairly quickly, but honestly couldn't tell you how I am doing it. I do know that it gets easier with practice. I know what notes make up the guitar chords that are often printed above songs, and have a reasonable understanding of how those chords fit together to make patterns in songs. For example, I know what you mean by triads, and I know that Am is related to C in the same way that Dm is to F and so on...

Like Isaid, playing by ear gets easier with practice, but I do think it must also be something one is kind of born with. My grandad, mum, aunt and sister can all do it too, so it seems ordinary in my family, yet I have known some very accomplished trained musicians who are astonished at my paltry skill (have also known some truly talented professional musicians who can't help sniggering at the way I think about music because they see it as so basic).

I am not a particularly good pianist. What I can hear and understand far outstrips what I can actually produce on the piano. However, inspired by this thread, I listened to the Disney film version of this frozen song on YouTube today, and can now play it well enough to accompany someone singing (i did this by playing along with it in rough chords then filling in the fiddly bits of detail afterwards, can't really describe the process more accurately than that). I can play the introduction pretty note perfect and make a reasonable stab at the rest of it - my five year old was open mouthed with wonder, but I know that I need a lot more practice!

Isitmylibrarybook · 10/07/2014 22:24

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greenbananas · 10/07/2014 22:36

It really does get easier with practice. The same chord patterns turn up over and over again. Stick at it, librarybook, you will soon be playing whole songs!

Thinking about it, and having figured out what you all mean by intervals, yes I do use that. For example, most simple pop style songs are based around 1, 4 and 5 and their relative minors (does that make sense? So if you were playing in C, a very simple song would perhaps only use C, F,G plus Am, Dm and Em) So once you can identify the shape of those few chords in your head you are away really.

Good luck, I bet you make really quick progress!

greenbananas · 10/07/2014 22:41

(Hope I am using "relative minor" in the right context? A proper musician once told me that Am was the relative minor of C...)

LatinForTelly · 10/07/2014 22:58

Ooh, this is interesting! I am a music reader rather than player by ear, so am in awe of the cool types who can pick out a tune rather than squinting over the music.

Loved the you tube video - will show it to the DC tomorrow. Mine love let it go, but also the reprise of 'always and forever' where the two sisters are singing.

Cue a 9, 7 and 4 year old belting out ,'no, you'll only make it WORSE, there's so much FEAR, you're not safe here' etc.

Yes that is my understanding of relative minors, greenbananas. I Want to watch some Howard Goodall progs on YouTube called 'how music works' which I'm hoping will explain all this and make me a bit more of an instinctive player but haven't found the time yet.

Isitmylibrarybook · 10/07/2014 23:16

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VolDEmortIsOnMyLaminateList · 12/07/2014 08:47

A'relative minor' can refer to the key that the song changes to when there is an 'accidental' in the piece. For example: if you were playing in the key of C, you would expect there to be no sharps or flats. If a sharp or flat appears, the key then changes to its RM- in this case, Am . Grin

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greenbananas · 12/07/2014 11:57

Ah voldemort, thanks for that. I think I understand what you mean.

I would say a piece of music is in Am if there were generally no sharps or flats in it (as in like playing in C) but the song kind of returns to Am as its home, and sounds like it is in a minor key. Not a very technical description, I know, but is that about right?

By the way, did we learn the same version of the frozen song? The Disney one I had a go at is basically in Fm, I think, with the chorus sounding more positive in A flat, and the bridge y bit in E flat.

I wish I knew more about music theory! I'd be a much better pianist if I did.

After I had figured out the basic chords to this song, and got the introduction what I thought was about right, I had a look at the sheet music as mentioned up thread. It's a bit daunting, looking at so many notes on the page, but I know enough to follow the shape of the introduction (this is only because I already know how it is supposed to sound!) I was playing the right notes in the right order, but was surprised that you are supposed to play fifths in the left hand - I was doing my usual lazy thing of just bass notes in the left hand and playing the top notes of those fifths with my thumb. Since then, I have been trying to play it correctly and it took my ages to retrain my brain... have played it about fifty times, ie every time I walk past the piano, and only just stopped hitting bum notes. It was so much easier for me to just think in terms of Fm, C# (I know, I know, but that's what I call it in my head regardless of what key I am playing in Blush ) E flat, B flat minor/then major next time.

There is a lot to be said for being able to read music, and I wish I could do it!!

VolDEmortIsOnMyLaminateList · 13/07/2014 08:25

I play the fifths with my thumb, too! I have tiny hands, and can barely reach an octave.

It is in Fm. Typo!

Any yeah Am has no sharps or flats. It would look the same as a song in C. Does anyone write their own stuff?

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greenbananas · 13/07/2014 12:12

I make stuff up all the time but, because I don't know how to write it down, I rarely remember it for long.

What I need is some decent, easy to use free recording software (my piano is an electric one). Preferably with plenty of audio tracks so that I can record lots of lovely thick harmonies. Don't suppose anybody knows of any....???

ConstableOdo · 13/07/2014 20:06

I work out the basic chords pretty quickly (i.e. does it sound like C, G, Am, F), then attempt to fit the chords to the tune, and then have a second round of listening so I can see if they've added any bells and whistles (e.g. bass parts that aren't the root note of the chord, extra progressions in between the main chords, added ninths or sevenths or whatever).

Having said that different chords have different characteristics... added ninths sound soppy, sevenths sound jaunty, major sevenths sound louche, added sixths sound crunchy, minor sevenths sound swampy. I guess it's almost like synaesthesia in that regard.

serin · 13/07/2014 21:12

DD (now 16) played flute from the age of 7, she got up to grade 6 then gave up a few years ago.

18 months ago she had a go at piano and was absolutely amazed at how easy she found it, she reckons its pretty much the same as flute.
Taught herself to play, which is good as we would have struggled paying for lessons!

springchickennolonger · 13/07/2014 21:45

Greenbananas depending on how clever your instrument is, you may be able to use something like Sibelius or Notion software. Apparently you can actually notate as you're playing if you link a keyboard to your computer.

VolDEmortIsOnMyLaminateList · 14/07/2014 21:09

Or you can do what I do when a song pops into my head...phone yourself and leave a message on the voicemail Grin

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VolDEmortIsOnMyLaminateList · 14/07/2014 21:11

I used sibelius in my music course, and the notes do appear when you play them.

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PickledMoomin · 14/07/2014 21:18

DD (8) sat doing the same thing for an hour on the weekend.
It's scribbled on a piece of paper.
G# A C# G# A
F#
G# A C# G# A
D
F# G# B F# G#
E

It sounds okay... Though I have no musical experience and should just put my hand in my pocket and buy her the book!

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 14/07/2014 21:29

Green-doesn't your piano record what you play? I only all as I've had mine over a year and ds has only just shown me it has this functionBlush

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 14/07/2014 21:30

Ask not all

greenbananas · 15/07/2014 20:15

Ha - leaving a message on the voicemail is a great idea! Grin I might try that.

Thanks for all your suggestions. I have heard of Sibelius, though never seen it in action. Years ago, I did try some notation software (can't remember what it was called) - the trouble was, once I had the sheet music for what I had played, I then couldn't read it back again!!

I can just about pick out easy stuff in the treble clef, very slowly, but can hardly read the bass clef at all. Also, I think I must sometimes sort of 'roll' my fingers over chords, rather than playing with absolutely perfect timing, and the computer got very confused... the resulting load of demi-semi quavers (or whatever they're called) looked like little spiders hatching all over the page.

I used to have a copy of Logic Fun (slimmed down free version of the emagic Logic software) but I don't know if it would work on a cheap, newish laptop over 10 years later, what with new operating systems etc. Might be worth a try...

I did a bit of internet research yesterday, and think perhaps my best bet is to save up for the most basic modern version of Cubase (£82 Sad ) and get someone technical to show me how to use it.

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