To think pierced ears on a baby look horrible.

[Tealady1983]

So on fb tonight and a old school friend had pictures of her 3month ish baby with her ears pierced am I the only one that think this looks awful and that it's a bit cruel?

Hmmm. Princess is choosing to. Her baby isn't. Any other unnecessary and possibly damaging choices you want to inflict on a child who is to young to choose?

Princess you choose to mutilate your four month old baby's ears? Is it for fashion? Culture?

I used to get upset when my two cried when having their immunisations, but that was necessary for their health. I couldn't imagine deliberately causing them pain for fashion. Of course, when they were old enough to decide themselves, they had them done.

Tealady you're not being unreasonable.

M word! First dab on my card

not this topic again. Always goes the same way, full of nasty, judgemental comments......

The klaxon is because this subject has been done to death.

You need a bit of doublethink.

On one hand it's absolutely OK to start threads on anything (and generally preferred to have new ones rather than reanimate zombies). But on the other, there are some subjects that appear so ofte and so predictably that they become cliches.

This is one of them.

Any other unnecessary and possibly damaging choices you want to inflict on a child who is to young to choose?

Well for starters, she'll probably be raised with a religion which will brain wash her. She'll also be getting braces if her teeth are crooked.

Not to mention she'll probably be allowed to eat at McDonald's. Or have sweets and sugars.

She'll also be driving a car before she's in her 20's and her brain is developed enough to handle multitasking and decision making.

I'll also be dragging her to the playground to make sure she stays active.

There's quite a few things she'll be doing that are dangerous and unnecessary.

But too young to choose? That's your sticking point?

There's a reason children under 18 can't consent or sign a contract. They're not old enough to make an informed and mature choice. Until your child is an adult it ultimately falls to choose for them. Otherwise, you'd never have to sign permission slips and consent forms on their behalf. You as the parent will be making choices for your child before they are old enough to consent themselves until they are adults.

Let's not get disingenuous and say that a 10 year old is capable of making a good decision. They're not. Not even close. That's why they live with you instead of on their own holding a job.

Princess I may not agree with you but I do like your post! Excellently written.

I do sometimes wonder why (genuinely not sarcasticly) you're allowed to pierce a baby's ears but not their belly button/lip/eye brow, what's the difference? Having had in the past different piercings myself, there was no difference in pain levels, wound care, maintenance and yet one is seen as a parental choice the others have an age restriction

Scaevola sorry haven't seen a similar thread before and to be honest didn't search to look, it never occurred to me that I am only allowed to post an opinion if it's never been done before maybe there are some mumsnet rules posted somewhere that I should search for you know the made up kind

Yes, but in all those cases, you will presumably make choices on her behalf that you think will benefit her. Growing up with straight teeth, or with religious guidance, or staying active to stay healthy.

What is the possible benefit to her of putting holes in her ears to stick jewellery in?

Ten-year-olds ask to have their ears pierced because they think it looks pretty. Unlike a baby.

I agree OP. Its a totally unnecessary painful procedure. It looks awful on any child who is too young to have chosen it for themselves

Princess, some of your points are a bit fatuous - you'll be dragging her to the playground as if it's going to be something she doesn't like. Doesn't quite compare with your mother inflicting a bit of pain on you and choosing something that you might not choose when you're older.

I'm glad you see that choosing her religion is brain washing - but not enough not to do it.

What's driving a car got to do with anything?

Why not leave it until she's 13 or so and can decide herself? Why do you feel this is your choice?

Laughable that you say a 10 year old isn't capable of making a good decision when you're deciding to put earrings in a baby, lol.

Parents are often very passionate about it.

Often you can't tell whether a parent is for or against it.

I wouldn't start a discussion in real life about it in real life.

Zzzz let's not make this about race.i think any baby any colour from any background looks like they are being dragged up when they have ears pierced so young. It's unnecessary!
FYI I was brought up on a rough ish estate in a council house there is nothing wrong with that whatsoever. So not middle class

Scaevola sorry haven't seen a similar thread before and to be honest didn't search to look, it never occurred to me that I am only allowed to post an opinion if it's never been done before maybe there are some mumsnet rules posted somewhere that I should search for you know the made up kind

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Tabby?

Yanbu.

Yes, but in all those cases, you will presumably make choices on her behalf that you think will benefit her. Growing up with straight teeth, or with religious guidance, or staying active to stay healthy.

How will straight teeth benefit her? It's a cosmetic thing.

How will religion benefit her?

How will going to the playground to play on equipment benefit her when she could just go on a nice safe walk?

What's driving a car got to do with anything?

She will not be driving without my consent, my insurance, and my car to learn in. It is not a choice she can make. I have to make that for her. Or if you're curious as to brain development, your frontal lobes aren't developed until you're in your 20's, which means most people are making decisions based on impulse and instant gratification. Ever wonder where the phrase young and dumb comes from?

Laughable that you say a 10 year old isn't capable of making a good decision when you're deciding to put earrings in a baby, lol.

I could go through your previous posts and find all sorts of things wrong with your parenting. But I won't. You may not agree with me, but let's not start pointing fingers when you are hardly perfect yourself.

www.mumsnet.com/info/search?query=pierced+ears+baby

other threads.

In some cases, babies having their ears pierced is a cultural thing, for example in Spain, where babies ears are pierced almost from birth.

It's a matter of opinion whether you think it's mutilation.

I don't think it looks awful, especially if they have tiny gold studs, probably not nice if they have massive hoops.

FFS, it is not really that painful is it? And it's hardly mutilation. I didn't get my daughter's ears pierced, which in my 'culture' is unusual, but I can't get worked up enough to give a crap what others do. Some of you are so very judgemental and small-minded.

I thought you wanted an explanation of the klaxon, which is why I posted.

I realise now that was indeed an error.

Princess, why bring religion into this? You're attempting to deflect attention away from the subject we are discussing - piercing the ears of a young baby. Perhaps you should start a new discussion thread about religious brainwashing.

What has attending the dentist and getting braces got to do with piercing the ears of a young baby? I would assume that a suitably qualified dentist would have advised you about this course of treatment. What sort of qualified practitioner has 'advised' you to get your baby's ears pierced?

Eating at McDonalds? Again, deflecting from the fact that you have chosen to pierce your baby's ears. For fashion?

Driving a car in her 20s/brain developed enough comment. Eh? .

Dragging her to the playground for exercise? You sound desperate now...

Too young to choose? Too right she is. That is why she is dependant upon you to make choices for her. Choices that hopefully don't involve unnecessary injury or pain, for fashion.

My apologies Scaevola I have re read your post in the the context it was meant now x