Ive Just shopped someone for benefit fraud, do I deserve to burn in hell.

[Gulitladen]

I feel quite bad.

This person is an acquaintance, She was a single parent for a few months, then she met someone who pretty much moved in, he was paying her bills for her and moved in properly earlier this year.

She has always worked full time with a salary of around 20k.

She seems to have an awful lot of money, and, as a single parent myself, I couldnt quite work it out. However, I have seen her tax credits renewal form as she didnt understand something and asked me to have a look for her, and shes claiming to be a lone parent, working 16.3 hours a week, earning 12k a year less than she actually is.

She is also claiming housing benefit as a single parent.

So, I have completed the DWP form and sent it off. I couldnt help it, it makes me see red.

But I now feel terrible.

OP I think YABU personally. Eg I can see why you did it, might well have d

Agree the carer thing has derailed the thread a bit.

I know the ' facts' as in this is what the woman has said herself, at the school gates. My friend happens to work with her, so i know about her employment

Gossiping with your friend does not tell you someone's salary. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

Woowoo clearly has no idea how much more physically and mentally difficult it is to cope with disabled children if she thinks it's no more than bringing up a NT child. Seriously?

That's not at all what she said either youthecat and it's a rather unfair that you should claim so.

She works in the same team as my friend, in the same role, and has done for 3 years. My god, why are you trying to make out its all vauge when it isnt?

She works full time, she is sat in the same office as my friend for 38 hours a week, regardless of anything else that is not the same as claiming to work 16 hours per week.

And no, the HMRC dont know how much she earns, unless they spot check. It might have caught up with her at somepoint, but equally, it might not have. If it were impossible to defraud the system, why would there be the need for people to be investigated and taken to court etc etc?

Its not an impossibility to defraud the system, i dont think ive ever provided any proof of anythign to tax credtis, i have to housing benefit, but not tax credits, you just call up or write in, and, until this year, fill in your annual earnings yourself.

She said that carers of disabled children don't save the government any money because it's just 'looking after your children'.

My god, why are you trying to make out its all vauge when it isnt

You refer to what you have as 'facts' yourself - even you realise they're doubtful. I work with a team and I don't know what any of them earn, nof they what I earn.

Only read the thread title & first post - but YABU.
I'd never do it & I can't understand what motivates people to drop others in it? - jealousy maybe I don't know.

I doubt you'll burn in hell but I wouldn't want to be your conscience.

Op. If she is claiming tax credits thenHMRC KNOWS HOW MUCH SHE EARNSHousing benefit- you hand to provide bank statements, payslips and tax credit award notices

No you don't. You hand them in to HB when you first claim. They didn't even know I had dc3 until they tried to charge me bedroom tax for having a spare room. She was 4 by then.

I've just done my WTC renewal and all I done was filled a form in and previous to his just signed a form to say nothing had changed

Never ever sent a bank statement in and the only time I have been asked for proof of earnings was when I made the initial claim

I understand that the plight of the disabled is an important and valid one but I do not understand why every single thread about society becomes about disabled people.

It seems to be being used as a stick to beat people with and I don't think that is entirely fair to anyone (including the disabled)

They do the same role, and have been doing so for the same length of time, their salary is going to be very very similar.

And again, in any case, She is working full time, where as she is claiming to work 16 hours per week, that in its self is a fact and a great big, fat, lie.

Coreyhaim, indeed. I have never provided anything to tax credits, after the initial claim, you dont, you just have to tell them of change of circumstances, you dont even have to give them proof of this. I got made redundant last year, found a new job, it was less hours, i just phoned them up, gave the info over the phone. I expected to have to provide my contract or something, some kind of proof, but, no.

You just call them up and tell them.

What corey said.

It's quite hard to defraud tax credits if working full time since HMRC has your pay information from your employer.

People should just think about their own actions and not other people's.

If you're that jealous do the same as her.

ICanHearYou, it is because of ignorant crap spouted by people like WooWoo that I will always always make a point of responding to that kind of nonsense no matter what the thread is about.

I think people are scraping the barrel for reasons to condemn OP. clearly the woman is a thief, and barring some extraordinary circumstance, there is no legitimate reason why she should be stealing other peoples wages.

I nearly did this once. I think it's acceptable in certain circumstances but I still couldn't bring myself to do it.

We run a business. One of our clients who I got quite friendly with was constantly moaning that her benefits weren't enough for her to live on. She has a holiday home abroad with a pool. She wasn't paying us, owed us a lot of money but kept asking for extra work to be done. At one point she bought herself some gold and tattoos for all the family and still didn't pay us yet because she wasn't paying us we were going without and struggling to pay our mortgage.lt made me so angry because I'd never claimed anything in my life.

I just decided to have nothing more to do with her in the end.

People should think about their own actions

So, would you stand by and watch a robbery if it hasn't directly affecting you?

You it is quite clear you have looked for opportunities to slip someone up into 'disablist' territory for disagreeing with their point of view.

There is no need for such behaviour in rational conversation and it does nothing but lead to silence where people are unable to share their opinions for fear of being marked a bigot.

I agree that bigoted opinions need to be debated and hopefully changed but you won't do that with these tactics, all it does is put peoples backs up and really devalue the point that you're trying to make.

Nope. But opportunities present themselves because of other people's ignorance.

Why should carers and the disabled have to listen to such idiocy and leave it unchallenged?

i think people do have a duty - in so far as is possible - to care for ill/disabled relatives.

but that's because in the right circumstances, its best for the person being cared for, adult or child, not to do with saving the tax payer money.

we all have a duty to care for the vulnerable. but everyone else has to stand on their own feet.

Agree with ICanHearYou. There is nothing disablist in woowoos posts, and you are deliberately twisting her words. Why, I don't know...it's almost as if you enjoy it

It's pretty ridiculous to suggest that being a carer for a disabled child or adult is the same as looking after an NT child though.
Whether or not you want to call it disabilist, you can't argue with the fact that it is shockingly ignorant.

I may be stupid but I simply cannot understand how you lie to HMRC about how much you earn. They generate your P60. They have every bit of information about how much you earn, how much tax you pay.

How could you give them the wrong figures?

She didn't suggest that tantrums, she's been misquoted!