Ive Just shopped someone for benefit fraud, do I deserve to burn in hell.

[Gulitladen]

I feel quite bad.

This person is an acquaintance, She was a single parent for a few months, then she met someone who pretty much moved in, he was paying her bills for her and moved in properly earlier this year.

She has always worked full time with a salary of around 20k.

She seems to have an awful lot of money, and, as a single parent myself, I couldnt quite work it out. However, I have seen her tax credits renewal form as she didnt understand something and asked me to have a look for her, and shes claiming to be a lone parent, working 16.3 hours a week, earning 12k a year less than she actually is.

She is also claiming housing benefit as a single parent.

So, I have completed the DWP form and sent it off. I couldnt help it, it makes me see red.

But I now feel terrible.

I think its now 112 billion.

Lefty I agree with Cruik.

Tilly, I don't see parents looking after their own children as saving the government money because we all have responsibility to provide for the children we create.

If you start from the viewpoint that the government should pay for full car of every child that is born then you might be able to have the viewpoint that we are all doing the chancellor a favour and saving him money by feeding and clothing our own kids, but I just don't see it that way.

Lefty please don't do anything silly (sorry I hate the way we have to use the word silly in this context)
It IS ppl like you that make the difference.

My DH has emphysema and im a carer too. But I suspect you have it harder. xxxx

I see Jonty's fucked off.

What a vile poster... are they usually like that?

WooWooOwl if you don't think that carers save the state money then you seriously need to do a little research because there is not a soul on any mainstream political think tank who would agree with you.

Lefty that is not what people are saying. Nor think.

Please do not think that.

Their posting history is fairly short, Moomin, assuming their are not a name changer.

Lefty you are absolutely not worthless. Darkest is right. Caring is hard. But you do make a difference.

I don't care about your personal philosophy.

It is a fact that you choosing to care for your own children is cheaper for the government than it would be for them to have to take care of them, straight off, never mind long-term future ramifications, such as the fact that care-leavers are more likely to go to prison than university.

Gobby's children require more care, so it would be even more expensive if the government had to do it and pay someone a wage for every hour.

What a vile poster... are they usually like that?

At least one on every tread.

Ive just caught Jontys posts Ugh. With grammer as atrocious as that I cant help wondering what her career must be.

Right arkestra, because all my personally held opinions should start with what political think tanks believe

Of course it would cost the government a shitload of money if we all abandoned responsibility for our children, but only because this is a civilised country that (mostly) provides for it's vulnerable. That doesn't, in my opinion, mean that I am doing the taxpayer a favour and saving them money because I care for my own children.

LeftyLoony please don't think that Woowoo is representative of all people or even of a sizeable minority - she really isn't. Most of us have absolute admiration and respect for the work that you and other carers do, and know that you do it for a nugatory amount of money that would cost the state far more to provide (while doing what you do badly). I am sorry to hear that you have issues going on in your life and I am sending you all strength to get through them. Don't let some idiot on a talkboard knock you off course.

It is not that long ago that parents were pressured by society and the medical profession to give up disabled children into state care, i.e. institutions.

Part of the reason that no longer happens is because we had improved as a society, but the other, darker, reason? Institutionalised care cost a shitload of money.

"With grammer as atrocious as that I cant help wondering what her career must be."

This is why you shouldn't correct grammar. Not unless your own is watertight, and you're sure of that.

Not that I agree with a thing Jonty has posted

I can't see anything woowoo posted that could be described as vile?

She certainly never called anyone worthless. Why is she being called an idiot?!?

I've reread the thread and I can't see what WooWoo has said that merits her being called names either. Maybe I've missed something??
This is a weird thread.

Haven't read all the thread, but I am totally against reporting suspected benefits fraud.

Sorry, I'll get a flaming here, but so much of taxes go to evil things like the army, war and banks, that I can't be pissed with attacking each other over benefits.

I live in Mexico where there are no benefits, even though it is a country rich in oil, minerals and agriculture. Every day I have to walk past people sleeping in the streets. You are so lucky to have proper benefits in the UK, but you shouldn't be turning on each other as you do.

I cant see where woo has either. What i can see is someone who is very tired, and very stressed, and, understandably so, lash out.

Loon, im sorry you find yourself in this position, it must be very hard and i cant see where anyone has said you are worthless.

I dont see anywhere where people have questioned those claiming benefits ( apart from where they have been trying to accuse me of hating)

You clearly do a good job and claim what the govt says you should claim.

The issue here is that this person isnt. She is a full time working woman with a live in partner, who is claiming as a single, part time working parent.

Its not automatic that her benefits will immediatley stop, the tax credits website doesnt say that at all. And, even if they did, she has two full time wages coming into the house.

It is a totally different situation to yours, or indeed mine.
I claim partial benefits. If mine were stopped i would end up homeless and foodless in about a week. My wages dont even cover my rent. But then, i dont lie about my situation to earn more money.

The issue here is that this person isnt. She is a full time working woman with a live in partner, who is claiming as a single, part time working parent.

I understand why you don't answer posts where it's pointed out that you can't possibly know everything you think you know, but being all sanctimonious and sympathetic about someone else's position doesn't make you look great. The fact is, you do not know what is happening in that other woman's life. You pieced it together by resentment, a brief glance at some paperwork, gossiping with your friend about what someone must earn and imagining what her boyfriend's salary might be.

I've read the thread apocalypse and it seems OP does have the facts, much as anyone wishes she didn't. If the woman and her boyfriend both work, then nobody is going to starve. That's straightforward enough surely? Or at least is beyond reasonable doubt to stop her?

What's wrong with OP being sympathetic?

WooWoo I'm saying you should look at the evidence. I'll rephrase my "think tank" comment another way: I have not seen anyone on any side of this issue who talks about the value of carers in society who has looked at the facts, thought about them, and has a worked out coherent position as a result, whether they are right or left or centre, who would agree with you.

I hope that states what I was trying to say more clearly.

Of course from your perspective everyone involved in politics may be in it for themselves and so none of them are to be trusted. That's an interesting position to hold but doesn't really have anything for me to engage with so I will have to pass if that's where you are coming from.

But none of this discussion had anything to do with carers. This is something loon threw in to try to make me look like a shit.

I know the ' facts' as in this is what the woman has said herself, at the school gates. My friend happens to work with her, so i know about her employment.

Those are enough facts to know they dont tally up with what she is claiming. Had she had not been waving the bit of paper about the playground, I would be none the wiser and would not have reported her, but she was, and I did.

And of course i can be sympathetic to someones situation, why on earth would shopping someone for a crime make me un empathetic?

Op. If she is claiming tax credits then HMRC KNOWS HOW MUCH SHE EARNS

Housing benefit- you hand to provide bank statements, payslips and tax credit award notices

Can you not see that?

You reported her "instantly" because you "saw red" She had more money than you and it pissed you off.

I've read the thread apocalypse and it seems OP does have the facts

I don't think what she has qualify as facts. And remember, ropey and suppositional as what she's saying is, that's the best possible complexion she can put on it.

Or at least is beyond reasonable doubt to stop her?

It doesn't even have a nodding acquaintance with beyond reasonable doubt.

What's wrong with the OP being sympathetic?

Just hits the old I'm a good claimant and I think you are too from what you've written on the Internet, but I saw a woman with all handbags and a partner, so I'm putting a stop to that.