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AIBU to expect to get information without asking for it

27 replies

GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 13:53

Okay, so here's the thing:
At university we have to submit a journal for our lab work. It is not just putting down our findings but also some extra questions have to be answered. We work in groups and it is just one journal per group. We got ours back last week with a note saying "There is so much wrong just on the first two pages that I refuse to mark it at all. Please correct" Well, I was really ill and told the other two people in my group so. I did tell them my opinion on the parts that were already looked at but that's it.
Until yesterday evening, when I started to feel better, I didn't even think about it again. I just assumed that if anything came up they would tell me.
Apparently that is not what I should have done. According to them I should have asked every day what they were doing and how the journal was coming along. Because like this they now had to do all the work (poor them, it's not as if almost 3/4 of the original version were written by me...). At least that was what I was told by them after I had repeatedly asked about the journal.
AIBU to think that if they had wanted help they should have told me so? Or in general to expect that in a group information about stuff like this should have been shared without anyone having to ask.

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redskyatnight · 23/06/2014 13:57

Um, confused.

You were ill, so couldn't help with the work/journal.

OR

You were well enough to have helped with the work/journal.

If the first, I think your group were correct not to involve you. (You've said you're ill and can't help, why should they?)

If the second, I think you needed to be more pro-active to make it clear what you were able to do.

WeirdCatLady · 23/06/2014 13:59

What? Sorry but I don't understand your post at all.

You didn't contribute to a group assignment, got a rubbish mark, and are mad at your fellow students?

KirjavaTheCat · 23/06/2014 14:00

Nah, you should have asked.

Hoppinggreen · 23/06/2014 14:01

Slightly confusing post but if you are too ill to contribute then you have to accept what has been done without you.

vicmackie · 23/06/2014 14:04

Well if you produced three quarters of the original work, and it was so badly wrong that the assessor refused to even mark it, perhaps that's why they're annoyed?

Pumpkinpositive · 23/06/2014 14:05

Did you or did you not contribute to the original work?

I can't figure out whether you're saying that you wrote 3/4 of the original or 1/4. Confused

GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 14:06

Okay, I think I need to clarify.

I was ill. I couldn't contribute to the correction.

My group thinks that I should have asked them anyway. My only question to them was whether anything still needed to be done. I have no problems with what they did do in the end.

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GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 14:08

I did do three quarters of the original but we finished it together and the others even told me they thought my work was good.

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GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 14:09

Oh, and I should probably say that the work was due today at 1pm.

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Runesigil · 23/06/2014 14:13

Who wrote the first two pages? Anyone at uni who has such poor presentation skills should never have got in needs some extra lessons.

The whole group need to get together and agree who does what when you are all in full attendance and have a strategy for sickness absence.

KirjavaTheCat · 23/06/2014 14:13

So it was late in?

Montybojangles · 23/06/2014 14:13

Have to agree with vicmackie, they are probably a bit hacked off that the stuff you did got thrown back unmarked it was so poor, and then you have left them to make good.

I know you can't help being ill, but I would be a tad miffed by that tbh.

Pumpkinpositive · 23/06/2014 14:14

So you did 3/4 of the original and it was wrong? Sounds like they may blame you for the group having to redo it and you being up available for the rewrite.

Why did you do 3/4 of the original? Are the others lazy?

Pumpkinpositive · 23/06/2014 14:14

Er, UNavailable.

KirjavaTheCat · 23/06/2014 14:16

I think, at the end of the day, you had a duty to keep yourself informed.

They're doing it all again by themselves, because the work you all submitted (of which you wrote 3/4) was shit. The least you can do, if you can't help correct it, is check in.

todayisnottheday · 23/06/2014 14:19

I'm assuming your marks are affected by the journal? Therefore yes you should have asked. It doesn't matter who did the original, it was wrong and you were lucky enough to get a second chance. That doesn't happen often and you should have seized the opportunity to better your own grade regardless of being ill (you don't mention being hospitalised or similar). Sorry but yabu

redexpat · 23/06/2014 14:20

Ah the delights of university group work. Is there a group contract? Are you the chair? Pumpkins post sounds spot on actually.

RiverTam · 23/06/2014 14:22

well, if 3/4 of what you had done in the first place was so bad the tutor wouldn't read it, I'm not sure why they would have wanted your input anyway!

How long were you ill and out-of-action for? I think you should have been in touch after a day or so, but equally if they wanted your input they should have asked.

EmilyElephantTrumpets · 23/06/2014 14:24

Gosh if the journal was as unreadable as your posts here I can see why it was sent back! :)

LRDtheFeministDragon · 23/06/2014 14:25

I think YABU really. It's your responsibility to keep on top of what needs to be done, especially if you already did much of the work that was wrong. It really doesn't matter if fellow students told you they thought it was good - obviously, it wasn't! It is difficult when you're ill, though.

Did you notify your tutor/fill in appropriate forms because of illness?

If so, you should have been given a clear indication of what work you were expected to do - did that happen?

I think you need to email the tutor and make sure you have a clear picture of what you were meant to do, whether your illness means you were entitled not to complete the assignment, and whether that'll be taken into account when the others are marked. If you've a get-out for the assignment because of illness, they can't really moan at you.

I would be talking to the tutor anyway, because something has obviously gone badly wrong if work is so bad it can't be marked. That's a really peculiar response from the tutor and suggests s/he believes you (plural) were actually not trying. This may well be wrong, seeing as you were ill, but you need to get it clear with the tutor.

GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 14:27

Well, I actually understand that they might be a bit miffed about the whole thing. I would be as well.

What I don't understand is that they blame me for not asking. I'm still ill, it is not as bad as this weekend but I'm nowhere near healthy. People commented on it today, so it was plain to see for everyone. Yet they think that I should have helped more?
The first two pages where mostly diagrams (my doing) and our expectations (group work). I really don't know why it wasn't corrected. The real work with the explanations came further in the back. They refuse to tell me what the supervisor said when they asked her on Friday why it was wrong.

Pumpkin Because otherwise it wouldn't have been finished. I'm not quite sure myself why I always let myself be persuaded but I've come to terms with that mostly.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 23/06/2014 14:31

The illness side of things should be pretty straightfoward if you've reported it, shouldn't it?

If you have medical exemption, all they have to complain about is the standard of work you completed before you were ill, right? They can hardly expect you to sort that out if they won't properly tell you what the supervisor said - but to make things easier you should go to her and get it from the horse's mouth.

Do you understand why any of it is wrong, at all? It's not possible it's (excuse me for suggesting - it's my own issue, so it comes to mind easily!) something like typos, and she just wants those sorted before getting to the content?

Viviennemary · 23/06/2014 14:37

Sounds like a typical students' dispute to me. Everyone blaming the other person. You told them you were ill so it's not surprising they didn't contact you but waited until you contacted them. Sounds like faults on all sides. Just take it from here. But it was unhelpful of the tutor to refuse to mark it or comment on it.

GirlWithProblems · 23/06/2014 14:49

There are some notes on the margin. One problem seem to be wrong legends for some of the diagrams as well as results that don't match the expectations (as she never read our explanations she didn't know we had discussed this in length)
I did report the illness straight away, I had to because otherwise I wouldn't have been able to miss class on Friday. I did suggest to them to ask for an extension, but they didn't do that. Generally the supervisor thinks problems like that are not her problem. There is one mark for the whole group and to her it doesn't matter who actually did the work as long as it is done on time.

Viviennemary Before they told me that I should have asked every day I never expected to be contacted by them. For me with telling them "I'm ill, I can't do this on the weekend. Could you do it? Or ask for an extension?" all was said and done. When I felt better I contacted them.

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QuizzicalCat · 23/06/2014 14:55

In your shoes I would have asked, I think YABU.