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To ask what is your instinctive response to hearing a child is Home Educated?

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NickiFury · 12/06/2014 16:31

I am really interested to hear general opinions from everyone and hoping for some from professionals such as teachers etc. I really want to know what people think because in the main in RL, the response is overwhelmingly negative. I've had people threaten to call SS on me because ds isn't in school, been told it's "weird" and seen this Confused face a lot.

Now to me home education is a totally normal thing but I suspect this is only because we are immersed in this world and know lots of other HE families (you'd be surprised how many are out there).

What has made me think about this was a friend telling me today that people in our community know of me and ds without ever having met us because we are notorious as that woman who doesn't send her kid to school ShockGrin.

Btw I also have a child who does go to school and is doing well but no one seems to gossip about that.

So what would YOU think if you someone told you their child is home educated?

Thanks Smile.

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SuburbanRhonda · 14/06/2014 11:33

OP, you said you went to school with black eyes and bruises - presumably some years ago - and no member of staff did anything. It is unforgivable and incredibly sad that no-one did a thing.

What those facts don't justify, however, is a wild claim that the welfare of hundreds of children in educational settings are routinely being ignored. If you make a claim such as that, with no evidence to back it up, you should expect to be called on it.

NickiFury · 14/06/2014 11:43

They're not wild claims. We regularly read in the press about children this has happened to, what about their siblings? we never hear their stories do we? Hundreds of children just disappear from care settings every year and no one knows where they are (that was published last week, sorry can't be bothered to search, it's quite easy to find). I was an army child and went to over ten schools, not picked up in any of those, except one teacher who I confided in who wrote to me after I left but I wasn't allowed to reply. I was at boarding school where kids were happy to be because it meant they weren't being hurt at home.

It DOES happen and I think you're naive if you believe that school is The Buffer because let's face it quite often it's happening there too (also easily found if you google).

Now I am taking my dc to dd's school fair, so I am NOT that against school, I have at least one child in mainstream education.

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BertieBotts · 14/06/2014 11:45

That's odd, I thought children in foster care were generally kept in their existing school if at all possible. Of course that's not always possible but sometimes it is. Then surely it would be based on what's considered best for that child - which presumably would be school if they're used to and happy at school - rather than what the foster carers are doing with their own children.

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 11:49

Ppplease - seeing as SS aren't a nationwide institution, perhaps you just have prejudiced local social workers. My parents were fostering over 6 years ago. And here's a newspaper article from 6 years ago about a family who foster and HE: www.theguardian.com/education/2008/aug/19/schools.education

Bertie, what's odd?

Panzee · 14/06/2014 11:54

I'd love to HE my children. I'm not sure they'd like it much though!

ppplease · 14/06/2014 11:54

I would assume that the children talked about in the article are not the fostered children.
It doesnt say that they are the children fostered.

ppplease · 14/06/2014 11:55

I would expect social workers to tell us the truth.

ppplease · 14/06/2014 11:58

Bb, foster children, up to about 4 years ago, and I think still the case, are number one on the school admissions priroity list.
It is so that whichever family they are placed with,[and often they are moved at short notice for a huge variety of reasons], can then get admittance to whichever school they end up being in the catchment of, if the local school ends up being the best option for the child at that time.

Mammuzza · 14/06/2014 12:00

I think it's a crying shame that there is so much stigma attached to home education

Well maybe those of us who home educate should be prepared to take a little responsibility for how that stigma evolved and accept it didn't occur in a vacuum. If of course we want it to go away, rather than utilise it to feed a persecution complex and snipe about other people's choices, or needs ?

In answer to the OP's question, I would nod politely. Avoid mentioning that I pulled my almost 14 yo out when he he was 8. Scuttle off at the earliest possible moment.

I am sure you are lovely and doing all aspects HE really well. However I am no longer prepared to take any chances with my blood pressure, so actively avoid the HE "community", or identifying myself as one of them.

I don't enjoy the gen pub thinking I must be an oddball or doing my son a disservice when they discover my educational choices. But I don't blame them for having those sorts of doubts. And actually, their doubts have been good for me. They have forced me to examine my choices through their lens, which has worked towards keeping me "honest", in the sense of double checking that I make my choices for his sake, and not my own preferences/ease.

Truth be told, after all these years of the HE community, on and off line, I don't think those gen pub doubts are necessarily unjustified or unreasonable. I have plenty of exactly the same doubts myself, doubts that are a direct result of what members of the HE "community" have said, done, supported and defended over the years.

Maybe I have been unlucky, but IME those who are prepared to short change their children academically/socially in the name of their own beliefs, or philosophy (or indolence) don't appear to be as vanishingly rare as is often claimed.

To the posters here who had a crappy HE experience, I have no intension of "hand wafting" away your shrinkage of options or happiness as adults. Not in the name of "well school fails some kids too", "oh well you are just an outlier" , or any other form of minimising your experiences. As far as I am concerned you matter as human beings, you are not just some annoying blot on a debate point. And given that there are no accurate stats on how many kids are HEed, let alone anything that can point to typical educational attainment/ future social inclusion.... how can we say your experience is all that rare ?

I think your voices and experiences are important, and frankly should get a damn sight more attention from the HE community. We shouldn't just be waggling the cases that get to Oxford or become precocious millionaire entrepreneurs by the time they are 12.

In the name of making sure we are doing the best by our own kids I think we should spend considerably more time actively seeking out those who don't have such a positive view of their parents' HE choices. Maybe we could become open to actively seeking out "formerly HEed and underwhelmed by the experience" adults. Creating a safe space where they could speak unafraid of attack, accusations of trolling, or being told it was all their fault anyway. Really delving into finding out which elements of their experiences cast doubt on some of the tightly held tenants of faith. And then making sure that their experiences are accessible to actual and prospective HErs so they can make as informed a choice as possible based on their own family's strengths, weaknesses, needs and wants, well aware of risks and pitfalls.

I think the above might actually give the gen pub more reason to reassess their doubts about us than getting stroppy about "stigma" on a talk board will.

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 12:13

Ppplease - you didn't say that fostered children can't be home educated (which I would agree that generally fostered children aren't usually home educated (except I know three that were :-) )), you said a parent who HEs is not allowed to become a foster parent, which I most definitely DISAGREE with.

LarrytheCucumber · 14/06/2014 12:13

I have just met a couple who HE and are about to be accepted for fostering.They have applied for 0 to 4 years so don't know if that makes a difference.

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 12:16

No, it makes no difference because ppplease is wrong Grin

TillyTellTale · 14/06/2014 12:19

Mammuzza Godlets, you must have been a brilliant HE-er!

I'm actually extremely impressed by that post.

Babyroobs · 14/06/2014 12:21

My first thought would be how do they find th time, do the parents not have to go to work? I guess you could only do it if you can afford to have a sahp which many families can't.

ppplease · 14/06/2014 12:25

Atia. That is a paraphrase. Not a direct quote as others can go back and see.

Agree though that my post in its entirety was not very well worded.

But I have to stand by what I was told by at least two social workers when we were going through the foster process ourselves somewhere around 6 years ago. Dont want to put a completely accurate date on that for obvious reasons.

LemonSquares · 14/06/2014 12:27

where do people who get asked why their children aren't in school live ?

Working class area in midlands - and I was asked a lot - I assume because my DC at aged three were tall and had good vocabulary for the area – not specularly advanced. It got annoying though especially when people questioned their age when I said 3 -as if I was lying. Funnily enough now apparently they look their ages.

Interesting tip TillyTellTale - might come in useful - thanks.

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 12:27

Ppplease, I copied and pasted from your post!

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 12:29

Do you want to explain clearly which it is that you believe?
Either
foster children cannot be home educated
Or
home educators cannot foster?

ppplease · 14/06/2014 12:47

I think that I am still right in saying that a parent who HEs is not allowed to become a foster parent.
That was correct up to at least 6 years ago. Probably still very much the case.

That was my post. Yours is a paraphrase and reads wrong as it is missing important words

That is naughty to do that.

I have had one poster do that before a few months ago. I wonder if you are using an alias or a nc and are the same poster.

SuburbanRhonda · 14/06/2014 12:53

Hundreds of children just disappear from care settings every year and no one knows where they are (that was published last week, sorry can't be bothered to search, it's quite easy to find).

OP, unlike you, I could be bothered to search. The article was in the Daily Mail. I took one for the team and clicked on the article. It's entitled "Britain's missing babies" and goes on to say out of 5,000 children in care who have gone missing in the last two years, 19 are babies who were subsequently found after a few months and one has yet to be found. There is no comparative number given for how many children disappear from their own homes every year. This is the standard of journalism we have come to expect from the DM.

Do your own data checks Rhonda

I hope you know that when teaching science, it's not good enough to make a claim and when it's disputed, say it's up to the other person to prove the claim false, don't you?

As one poster recently stated so eloquently on here last week: "The plural of anecdote is not data."

cosikitty · 14/06/2014 12:54

Mass home education would never work. The government wouldn't be able to support or regulate it. Therefore if it can't be supported for the masses it shouldn't be supported for a select few. HE is only available for those that can afford it (and want it).

AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 12:55

No, I don't think we've interacted before.

You're right, I didn't copy the bit about six years ago, because you said you thought was still true. (Mine wasn't a paraphrase, btw, I just didn't copy all your words.)

What you say you believe is not true. Home educators have fostered and do foster.

NickiFury · 14/06/2014 13:21

channel 4 that's where I saw it Rhonda. Excellent use of the DM in order to undermine a valid point though Grin.

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AtiaoftheJulii · 14/06/2014 13:33

As if a home educator would read the DM! Grin

NickiFury · 14/06/2014 13:35

Exactly Atia Wink

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