to think nhs could save a lot of money if docs did their jobs?

[HelenHen]

It seems far too common for docs to write something off as a virus or to tell people to 'keep an eye on it's

I had to hold my 2 year old in such a way so as to make him scream today to show the doc that there is a problem. He was determined to fob me off and get rid of me. It's really disheartening!

You sound nice OP.

?for those of you who saw through my annoying drip feeding and understood how frustrating this is, thank you! I'm worried about my son and I want a doc to take this concern seriously! No I didn't just say he cries when I change his nappy! I explained everything to him and he looked at him and said hes fine without even touching him! What kinda doc is that?

Broken not a paed but a gp who specialises in kids! It's a surgery with loadsa docs, each have different specialties but all gps. To clarify, I have an appointment with another gp tmrw, not a specialist!

Probably one that is pissed off with seeing moaning mothers that have self-diagnosed on google.
(well you did ask!!)

So, shouldn't your response be 'thank you. Thank you for fitting me in at such short notice. It's much appreciated'

So what is the problem then op? I really fail to see ehat the point is.

YABU to put this thread on mumsnet.

British people are very proud of the NHS and won't criticize it. Unless they've been through the worst and seen what patients shouldn't have to

Unfortunately you won't get a balanced view here, just a lot of condemning and "YABU".

"I had to hold my 2 year old in such a way so as to make him scream today to show the doc that there is a problem. He was determined to fob me off and get rid of me. It's really disheartening!"

I really don't know what to say. Actually I have a fair idea of what I want to say, but the post would be deleted. I feel that a mother who holds her two year in a way to make him scream, so that the child gets medical attention is the one who needs professional help.

I love the NHS. They have been wonderful with my kids. (Or at least ds as dd is never ill.) I have never had to fake symtoms to get my children help.

Sometimes when a doctors says that something is a "virus" it doesn't mean that they are wrong. Some viruses can kill. Over prescribing anti biotics can be harmful. Even if an infection is bacterial, the body is often capable of fighting it off without the help of anti biotics.

Some are fabulous, some are ok and a few are awful. That has been my experience. Just like any profession. Nurses though.....I have very rarely met a poor one! I know I'm generalising but I haven't!

I do understand your frustration though OP. It is upsetting being ill or having an ill child when no one is listening to you. I hope your son feels better soon x

Yabu.

Not sure what the prob is?

So your son has tonsilitis, antibiotics didn't work. It could be viral tonsilitis. Nothing the doc can do about that.

A lot of our illnesses are actually caused by viruses which are untreatable with antibiotics, so your doc isn't necessarily fobbing you off.

You've got an appointment with a specialist, tomorrow. Relax and see what they have to say about the second issue of your son seemingly in pain.

Nowt worse than a hysterics. Helps noone and only stresses you out and generally receives a crap response.

Quite shocked by some of the venom here: OK, so it may be a little u of the OP to generalise about doctors as she has, but those who are saying that she should be grateful, and that the Dr did well to refer her on, and what is she complaining about after getting a further appt. etc have to remember she fought blooming hard to get it and the GP tried to fob her off without even examining her DS.
That is NOT good practice nor anything to be grateful for.

I'm seeing that now allisgood1 incredible!

And thanks crystal and tangerine

I agree Little. I told my old gp that I was having various health problems over several months. It was extremely unlike me to be ill. She totally dismissed me, practically called me a hypochondriac and said I was "trying to overmedicalise my situation" until I turned up one day unable to speak and unable to co ordinate my right side. She did have the decency to look embarrassed. I never went back after that though.

I moved practices and have recovered from my illness and have had fantastic care ever since. Not being listened to and labelled "hysterical" when you are actually ill or are worried about someone who is ill is very frightening.

No problem, your OP may have been a little inflammatory but I totally get how upsetting that situation is. Honestly, dealing with my horrible GP was almost as bad as my disabling symptoms.

Your poor DS. To be caused pain by his mum. Maybe you could try getting better at using words.

If you had spent 12 months on a waiting list for a procedure that didn't get done because you had been forgotten about, you'd have something to moan about.

If after those 12 months were up, you saw the consultant again and he decided to do something else and said it would be done urgently, but then you had to wait 27 weeks for that procedure because you had been forgotten about again, you'd have every right to be very angry! Especially if another consultant had written to them 3 times and it had been admitted to you that it said on the computer the the appointment needed bringing forward!

That is what has happened to me! I am in agony to the point of tears because I still have 8 weeks of the 27 left to wait!

I can not see after the consultation and it's outcome today, just what it is you actually have to moan about!

So other than nappy changes OP when does your DC scream with this pain?

YABU. The NHS would save money if people didn't go running to docs and A&E with the tiniest little sniffle, a slight temperature, a bit of a sore knee, wanting sick notes to fob off work, to have chicken pox diagnosed and all the other crap they gave to deal with. Then they could concentrate on the things that need medical intervention. Plus "being fobbed off" as a virus is not fobbing off. Common things are common-viruses are common -and many conditions resolve with time. The NHS would be drained of finances if they sent every sniffle for a full chest work up, every mild rash for a full dermatology investigation.... If there is no obvious condition they diagnose with the most likely explanation and if the symptoms don't resolve then work through other possibilities. There would be far fewer people hot footing it to the medics if they had to pay for every procedure and many miraculous recoveries. and no I am nothing to do with the NHS, just appreciate what we have available

Allisgood summed it up in one.

OP I'm sorry you had to fight just to get the gp to examine your child properly. There's no excuse for it. I have also been on the receiving end of it so I can well imagine how you felt.

Of course the title is a generalisation / exaggeration (like MANY others on here) but the OP has a point. Doctors are seen as sacred cows and if you suggest that any of them don't do a brilliant job you are accused of all sorts of ungratefulness, get asked what you are complaining about and so on. Yes, the NHS is a great thing to have but that shouldn't mean that no-one can criticise its flaws. Doctors get a lot of protection from the system so that when they do a mediocre or bad job it's hard to pick that up. The GP sounds half-assed and I don't see why the OP should have to fall on bended knee and be grateful that she has another appointment for her DS when a) she had to push hard for it and b) he wasn't bothered to examine a child properly.

The FairyCanavan That's really, really awful but I don't see why it has to be a competition. Both you and the OP have had a poor experience - yours particularly so, but I'd hate to see it said that things had to reach your level before anyone had a right to complain. I hope you have started a complaint about the consultant who has been (not) dealing with you.

And every builder is dodgy because I had one.
Every neighbour is a shit because mine is.
Every mother is irresponsible because some kids grow up to be horrible.
The point of the thread is to generalise isn't it?

On a less sarcastic note, I will forever be grateful to the doctor who saved my husband's life the Xmas before last by picking up on the serious tachycardia and that it wasn't a simple flu that he had. I will always be grateful to the hospital that he was taken to that day when they discovered he had septicaemia. I'm angry at the fact they didn't realise that he had cancer and it wasn't discovered until 10 weeks later, however it would have made no difference to the outcome. I'm so, so, grateful to the incredible kindness shown by his doctor and the other health professionals since. Even though he will not get better they have never given up on him and if it wasn't for the first doctor I wouldn't have this precious time with him.

I don't understand how the doctor could diagnose your child if he couldn't see any symptoms and I think he's being very professional organising an appointment for you with the paediatrician.

OP I should have added that I hope your wee one gets better soon.