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to wish tax payers money was not paid to promote cows milk and dairy

199 replies

brt100 · 07/06/2014 10:37

Cards on table, I don't drink dairy as I'm health conscious, its for another animal with a very different body structure, diet and only for infants.

I get it that its delicious, well cheese is, but what I don't like is all these adverts on buses paid for partly by tax payers money to encourage people to drink milk. There are much better sources of calcium that the body can absob better so that argument is a con.

My sister gives her 7 yo a chease string every lunch time and thinks its healthy and vital.

OP posts:
weatherall · 07/06/2014 14:53

Honestly you should visit some of the deprived areas of the UK where people's diets are very poor.

Dairy is the best nuitritional a lot of people get.

There are households who never eat fruit or veg or soups or salads.

There are children who never drink water, milk will be the only liquid which isn't made by the coca cola company.

lljkk · 07/06/2014 14:56

Can't be bothered. Lots of animals are treated badly to benefit people & lots in our diets or lifestyles could be improved & I can think of much worse ways that taxpayer money gets spent.

Mrsjayy · 07/06/2014 14:58

You are right calcuim rich foods are not on some people's radar so id rather a 7yr old got a cheese string than nothing

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/06/2014 15:03

To be fair then OP does sort of have a point. The government/EU etc does seem rather set on pushing out of date health advice. Dairy is not "good" for you- at best it has neutral impact. (There are many many other perfectly viable sources of calcium without ingesting cows' breast milk).

Another e/ample is the recent Fit 4 Life thing where they were encouraging parents to feed their children low fat/low sugar products.

fredfredgeorgejnr · 07/06/2014 16:08

EU interference in the food market is very bad, both for EU consumers and the non EU poor, it's very good for EU farmers though, but only ones large enough or from relatively poor areas of the old EU countries.

But marketing milk is not a big one. For those humans adapted to milk (which is the majority of northern Europeans and lots of other ethnicities) then it's a very nutritious and cheap food that helps a good diet.

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/06/2014 16:13

Wow, there's something I kind of agree with you on op

I don't believe dairy is the super food it's made out to be and the only person who hardly touches it and the only one who's never broken a bone in my family is me.

People rely far too much on milk to make up the shortfall in their kids diet whilst simultaneously failing to realise that kill fills then up and they will eat even less.

But each to their own. It's not safe for people on restricted diets who can't make it up in other ways to exclude it.
But I sit believe it's as good for you as it's made out to be.

But adults make heir own decisions do them and their children it's up to them whether they cheese or don't cheese

Owllady · 07/06/2014 16:15

I live by a dairy farm and to be fair to the farmer, the cows welfare seems very high. They certainly don't struggle to chase you, for instance....but it is cruel if you are empathetic and see value in A life. You can hear them crying when the male calves are taken away :(
And
I still drink milk

claraschu · 07/06/2014 16:15

YANBU
People won't be open minded about this though. It is too threatening on too many different levels.

BloodFlower · 07/06/2014 16:20

YANBU

expatinscotland · 07/06/2014 16:20

Eh? Why is it health conscious not to eat dairy.

I am lactose intolerant so cannot take cheese.

It's a food product like any other.

Meh.

Owllady · 07/06/2014 16:21

Not meh expat, moo

chilephilly · 07/06/2014 16:25

I wish they would stop advertising Quorn. Food comes from farms, no labs, therefore it isn't food.

candycoatedwaterdrops · 07/06/2014 16:34

Owllady Grin "moo" should be the new "meh".

oohdaddypig · 07/06/2014 16:38

I agree with you.

I have massively reduced dairy in our house for health reasons - the difference in the kids' health is immense.

My mother in law thinks its akin to child abuse not to ply my kids with dairy at every meal despite their vastly better health which is coincidental.

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/06/2014 16:41

In what way daddypig

I noticed the same thing with dd1 but I'm interested to know what benefits you found!! How are they better :)

HoneyDragon · 07/06/2014 16:44

No

ALL threads on AIBU are pointless crap. If people have something important to say they don't say it on AIBU.

oohdaddypig · 07/06/2014 16:47

giles - I have had a near cessation of sinus problems. DD had severe glue ear and it's gone. No dark circles under eyes. More energy. Stopped snoring. Less severe colds.

I thinks it's a family problem with dairy....

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/06/2014 16:56

I have to admit feeling loads better without milk. I never consumed milk aside from in coffee an the occasional yogurt or cheese sauce. I now notice how crap it made me feel eating it.

Dd1s eczema is less than it was, and her asthma has improved too, reception it got her sent home twice and kept her off two or three times.

We still have the odd time it flares up but it hasn't kept her off school or required anything more than the odd puff on er inhaler in two years!

She also lost the bloated toddler belly.

Dd2 was intolerant as a baby and has never had it in vast quantities as her health is perfectly fine without it. Tey get let off at birthday parties but that's it. We have no eczema and asthma with dd2 (fingers crossed it stays like that) and although recently suffering from a small vital rash she has never ended up covered in rashes and itchy and bleeding like dd1. Her skins lovely.

Coincidence ? Who knows but makes me think that's for sure

scotchtikidoll · 07/06/2014 16:59

I have worked in a milking parlour with my Dad, Benchmark,, and there was nothing cruel about it. The cows were in a row for a short amount of time, and got fed and washed while behind a barrier and then released after being milked by nozzles over the teats. If you know better then please back up your statement then please elaborate.

Milk is better for kids than fizzy drinks etc. I would rather the government promoted it so kids drank it instead. Milk may not be perfect but neither is, say, spinach, which contains nitrites, or orange juice, which has sugar in it.

As someone on a low income, glasses of whole milk are a low cost way for me to get some calories and vitamins, especially as I am breastfeeding. What I am saying is that there are different reasons for doing something and you shouldn't look down on choices made by others because they don't match your own.

Your OP is pretty smug. 'My sister gives her 7 year old a cheese string, she thinks it is healthy and vital...' Well, if you think that she is wrong then please contact Trading Standards as it is a consumer issue- the ads state that they are 100 percent cheese and a good source of calcium. Maybe I am gullible, but I am sure they aren't as shit as they used to be.

scotchtikidoll · 07/06/2014 17:00

Back up statement or elaborate, pick one haha!

scotchtikidoll · 07/06/2014 17:09

Okay benchmark, seen your other post explaining what you meant by 'cruel'- I thought you were referring to the milking practise itself. I'll look into what you've said

Bearfrills · 07/06/2014 18:57

So say the dairy industry was shut down tomorrow, who would be supporting the now out of work farmers and other people within the supply chain? And do the people saying dairy industry is 'cruel' realise that it would mean mass slaughter of current dairy herds? Is that not cruel?

I'd rather follow medical and dietary advice than internet conspiracy theory advice. My GP, MW and HV all say 'drink milk and eat cheese' to make sure we get enough calcium (three DC, one BFing) so we drink milk.

OP, do you have articles to back up your sweeping statements? I like to see actual researched, documented evidence from some sort of professional publication.

Rainbunny · 07/06/2014 19:02

I wish I didn't consume dairy as I do feel badly for the cows, but I have not found anything to use in place of milk in my tea. Soy & almond milk do not work at all for tea. Anyone have any suggestions?

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/06/2014 19:08

Hazelnut? It works in coffee

lljkk · 07/06/2014 19:10

Vanilla-flavoured soymilk is best substitute I've found for tea/coffee, & it's still pants because it's too low fat.