If UKIP are so terrible, why did they win so much?

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I didn't vote UKIP - I voted for my local Christians. However, if I were to purely read the comments on Mumsnet and the comments on Facebook re UKIP, I would have thought they would come last; yet they didn't. Why? Are there so many of us on here that are so different from (clearly) the majority?

I don't understand the concern about congregate communities. Can someone please explain? We already have them for the elderly, and they seem to work well in the US. As long as people are not forced into them,

Well I haven't noticed anyone asking for them. So if there has been no demand, then surely there will be 'encouragement' or what's the point?

Agree with Panwearsrosa re. BBC promoting UKIP. I listen to radio 4 online and the BBC has been promoting UKIP for the last couple of years. It encouraged people to think that this was the only alternative party

The issue with congregate communities?

Because they wanted to replace community care with them...that's not about better provision or support, just removing people from society.

It's not that congregate communities in themselves are bad, there are some very well run ones by charities, but withdrawing community support and replacing it with congregate communities is not the same as providing them by need.

I saw a funny post on F/B saying 'voting for UKIP as a protest vote is almost like sg in your hotel bed...and then going back in it the following night to sleep...good way of putting it I spo's

good way of putting it I spo's

I haven't noticed any either Fideline but I am not in a position where any of my close friends or family have disabilities, so I may be getting a different picture. I cannot speak from experience - I don't know if there is a demand or need for this kind of care provision, but many people seem to think it's a throwback to the days of asylums (this is not what I believe personally) - in which case I would question why we put our elderly in them. I'm just curious as to why there is such an aversion to the idea. We also have care homes for people with SN, and that seems to be acceptable too. I'm just confused is all - again, I'm not speaking from a position of experience.

I don't think the immigration problem is regarding British jobs being taken. I think that it is about the raising issue of non-British getting benefits when they or their past generations have not been paying tax.

Housing benefit, child benefit, working tax credits etc. Why should a non British national get those benefits? Why?

This is what people are more angry about. This is why UKIP have won so much support.

Yes, I agree with a flat rate of tax I think it's fair and works very well in mnay countries.

My aunt has learning difficulties and would benefit hugely from the provision of supported accommodation in that kind of community. In fact we have been pushing for something like that for a while but there is nothing in our area so she has to just struggle. It would be OPTIONAL, nobody is suggesting a snatch and grab of all disabled people, locked in chains somewhere against their will but there are many struggling families, and struggling people with disabilities who would benefit from that additional support and peer group. Supported accommodation is not a bad thing.

I haven't noticed any either Fideline but I am not in a position where any of my close friends or family have disabilities

Ah well I am - we know lots of families affected by disability/SN. I should have said so originally - it would have helped to explain why I am so about that particular 'policy'.

copy of the welfare policy you need to scroll down, apologies - UKIP have been very good at cleaning up their policies from the internet.

No it wouldn't be a snatch and grab, but by withdrawing support in the community and replacing it with congregated communities you leave the options as, get no support or go and live here.

Community support is already diminishing rapidly with all of the cuts. The disabled and most vulnerable in our communities are being severely let down and have been since care in the community bullshit started. Good intentions that failed to grasp the enormity of what is needed and the cost.

You wont hear them making demands because they havent got a voice hence why the cuts have hit them first.

Charitys are doing their best to fight their corner but its making no difference to adult and childrens services so having the choice of congregate communities must be seen as a positive step forward for those that choose it.

Whats the alternative? Abandoned in the community which is what is offered now unless you have a very vocal family fighting for you which is bloody exhausting.

In fact, I dont believe that is a copy of the full policy, its just a statement. Sorry.

As gatofeliz says...There is hardly any support in the community. UKIP would be creating support, not withdrawing choice. Provisions for people with disabilities is woefully inadequate. There is nothing available to my aunt. She would love the chance to live in supported accommodation and have the chance to make friends and live safely and independantly.

germany has just elected a neo nazi shocked when i read that and it sent shivers down my spine. also like pp has said france elected a bnp like government i think UKIP has some good policies and stances. its just newspapers like the daily fail that write scaremongering propaganda against them and they get a few EDL nutters on their facebook pages which doesn't help things. and as for libdems conservatives and labour they are just running scared and prattling on about racist UKIP like a demented old woman because they thought this humble man nigel farage would be laughed out of parliament before he even got it but people have turned around and said "Hold on a minute this guy isn't some private educated snob who has no idea about the cost of living or real life etc this guy is one of us and he gets what it is like to be us" so now people are voting UKIP simple. no amount of ani propaganda or scaremongering rumors are going to stop UKIP because as soon as you look into their party you see no connection between them and the stupid stories written about them. IMHO if you believe these rumors and claptrap without educating yourself on UKIP and researching it then more fool you your the exact sort of person the other parties want to manipulate into voting for them in 2015

I know exactly how much support there is - removing it, however inadequate it is should not be an acceptable option.

Congregate communities in addition to community support is different.

I have spent ages trying to find UKIP policy documents. How people can say UKIP have good policies is beyond me - they have deleted them all and replaced them with a series of vague statements. The only policy document I can find is the energy policy

UKIP scare me. I totally understand now how the Nazis rose to power.

And no UKIP are not talking about concentration camps. But the early Nazi policies are very similar to UKIP's

hedwiggity - What good policies do you think UKIP have?

but people have turned around and said "Hold on a minute this guy isn't some private educated snob who has no idea about the cost of living or real life etc this guy is one of us and he gets what it is like to be us"

Only he is privately educated. He went to Dulwich college, where certain teachers expressed concern about his fascist beliefs.

they thought this humble man nigel farage would be laughed out of parliament before he even got it but people have turned around and said "Hold on a minute this guy isn't some private educated snob who has no idea about the cost of living or real life etc this guy is one of us and he gets what it is like to be us"

Nigel Farage couldn't be less humble. He comes from a privileged background and was educated at Dulwich.

calmet I listed some good policies in an earlier post. there are loads more in their 2010 manifesto.

Sorry , x post.

The comparisons with the rise of Nazism and UKIP bears scrutiny. You'd think we'd learned from last time around. Move in at a time of economic uncertainty, blame people who aren't like you but had nothing to do with causing the uncertainty, try to reel in the supporters who reveal your underbelly, claim you are a 'man of the people' (when you def are not), develop an inward-looking exclusive view where the 'outside' is threatening, culture the media to promote your platform, take lots of votes from similar right wing parties.

And ultimately rely on people's apathy. 'You can't be bothered to turn up and vote against us so we will make decisions for you'.

travellingtoad, what do you think of the energy policy?