To be shocked at how casually some posters accuse other posters of disliking children

[Summerbreezing]

I see it quite regularly on here - most recently on the Church ceremonies thread. A poster starts a thread about, for instance, toddlers being allowed run riot in restaurants, kick the back of seats in planes or whatever and you can be guaranteed that at least one poster will come back with 'well if you can't stand children don't eat out' or 'Just because you dislike children doesn't mean they shouldn't be welcome at wedding ceremonies' or 'Why should children be banned from planes just because some travellers can't tolerate them'.

It's a horrible comment to make and totally unjustified. I can't stand it when parents allow children to scream and shout in a restaurant. But I love children. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I like kids fine but I don't like ineffective parents and children who know they can get away with pretty much anything due to their parents inability to parent in an appropriate manor.

I mean come on why have children if you're not prepared to raise them to be nice members of society?

combat I do do this :) but I doubt I would get sho down in flames if my one year old was whinging! It happens. But screeching/ screaming/ fighting etc is not acceptable at any age and I would leave if my dd screamed the way through my meal to be honest.

I can't say as I go notice many badly behaved children around when out and about and can't remember the last time when I was at all bothered by a child. Most parents seem to do a good job, to me.

I see lots of badly behaved over 55s though.

I guess it's just where you go. Like I said at my local there's always about 8-10 kids that like to play on, under and around the pool table (which is restricted to children!) and their parents don't care as they're outside. One child fell over and I spent 15 minutes trying to find his mother. Turns out I found his auntie and his mother was outside drinking. I don't appreciate my money being eaten by children - is it my responsibility when they choke? Yes. it is. They would have said "You shouldn't put coins where toddlers can reach them!!" or drinking my JD and Coke because they thought it was just coke. Their parents should teach them from a young age to be considerate, mine did. Or even simply "don't touch other people's things" Me and OH agreed that if it was our children we wouldn't allow them to run riot and would be in eyeshot at all times. I think there was only one little girl that sat down (presumably looking after her little siblings, but she wasn't more than 9-10) and was talking to me while OH and his friend played pool. She was lovely, very well spoken and a lovely little conversation. The rest were just terrible but we couldn't say anything. One even asked me for 50p so they could play with the heavy balls! no! Cheeky!
I also don't like the fact that when I'm in church trying to listen and reflect in silence, mothers/fathers will keep their screaming child/ren in the church. Why do that?
Like I said, it depends where you go and if the parents keep their children with them. Some children really are lovely. I don't care if children are dirty, if they're playing, they're going to get a little bit dirty! It's just if they're in places they shouldn't be because of the signs or just being genuinely annoying. They're not trying to be, but they are, sometimes. Not all the time. It all depends.

Flying with children is a pain but it must be the parents' pain and not the other passengers'. You must give them enough attention so that others can read or sleep. You must stop them kicking seats. Except at meal-time the passenger in front can recline and your LO must accept it. Don't expect to relax much unless your child sleeps.

You expected not to be bothered BC and you will expect it again when yours are older. For the moment you have to preserve the peace for other passengers.

I don't particularly like other peoples children tbh.

I like my own, but they were reared to a high standard, ie they don't run amok. Like rearing farm animals innit, those in stimulating, healthy environments will have a happier life and healthier state of mind.

moam i like you.