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....to think 8/9 yr olds should not have their own iPads or Smart Phones?

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Poopoopeedoo · 17/05/2014 19:13

My son just informed me that a good number of kids in his class of 8-9 yr olds are being given iPads for their birthdays and one already has an iPhone of his own.
Is this the norm now? I feel like perhaps I am just an old-fashioned stick in da mud but SERIOUSLY?? At 9 yrs old??
I just want to know if I should continue to dig heals in or if I am, in fact, the only UNREASONABLE parent here! He has access to DH´s ipad and our iphones intermittently btw, but I never imagined getting him his own till he was ...oh I don´t know...16!!
What say you, wise Mnetters??

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LtEveDallas · 18/05/2014 16:45

DD has had an iPad since she was 7 and my old iPhone (with no SD card) since she was 6. She also has a kindle and a PC. I don't think it's really that unusual these days tbh. We have parental restrictions etc set up and she's not allowed to take it away from us to use IYSWIM (and actually our wifi is so shit it only works in the living room)

I don't like the thought of her having an actual phone, because she doesn't need one (she's only ever with me or DH). She'll definitely have one once she's secondary age, but unlikely before.

TheBallerina · 18/05/2014 17:03

Mine at one at 6.

He uses it daily. Minecraft, watching films, learning his times tables.

God send.

flyingspaghettimonster · 18/05/2014 17:32

I got my two older kids Nabi tablets when they were 6 and 8 - one was broken within a month, the other lost somewhere and never looked at. They generally aren't great at looking after stuff and have lost all their 3DS and DSIs, broken a few computer games etc so I stopped getting expensive stuff like that till they were older. I did buy my daughter a really expensive laptop for her 9th birthday though, for school and because she wanted to be able to play the Sims 3 so it needed high specs. I ended up going for a touch screen Sony with good specs in hopes it would last her a few years. We had rules in place about when she is allowed to use it and where, and she has kept really good care of it and the boys know not to touch it unless we give them permission. I think as they move towards middle school they need their own technology for homework - she gets a lot of online homework already.

I don't want any of them to have a phone till 14.

Joysmum · 18/05/2014 17:54

You need to get used to the fact that unless your child is the first to have anything, the child will always want something somebody already has. Then you'll get told that all the other kids stay up later, get more freedom, more pocket money...

As far as smart phones and tablets go, it's apple all the way in this house as the parental controls are second to none.

Hulababy · 18/05/2014 18:04

No issues with them having their own tablets and computers, so long as they are made aware of e-safety and have access monitored regularly. Not really much difference to having a gmes console especilly as many have internet access and more these days.

I wouldn't give my DD a smartphone that early - DD got hers in time for starting secondary school. But can understand why some parents may want their child to have a phone if they are spending increasing time away from them - my friend's child had a phone early as he spent time each week at his dad's house and there were initially some health concerns.

wobblyweebles · 18/05/2014 18:27

Not read the whole thread, but we had the BBC Micro too. My stepbrother taught himself coding on it, went on to become a technical consultant, and is now CTO of a bank. I also used learnt to code on it and have since coded for a living most of my career - I now choose my hours and get paid very nicely for it.

Quite glad my parents ignored all the people who said they were wasting their money and spoiling us.

windchime · 18/05/2014 19:18

I agree with OP. This is why obesity is becoming such a problem in the UK. There are kids in DD's class who had an email address at the age of 5? WTF? They will all have plenty of years to stare at computer screens. My DD finds enough to do without owning a fecking ipad, iphone, etc. It is very lazy parenting imo.

SocialMediaAddict · 18/05/2014 19:36

My twins are 9 tomorrow and I've bought them Huddl tablets. I really don't see the difference to a DS and they are addicted to Minecraft which you can't get for the DS.

For DD's 12th birthday she has saved up towards an iPad mini and I said I would pay the rest.

ICanSeeTheSun · 18/05/2014 19:44

DS aged 8 has an iPad2 a very kind uncle gave It to him, the most used item.

LtEveDallas · 18/05/2014 19:51

Windchime, do you really believe that because a child has a computer (iPad, DS, Other Screen) that they can't also be active?

It's not one or the other you know.

Hulababy · 18/05/2014 20:08

"I agree with OP. This is why obesity is becoming such a problem in the UK. "

Really? Tablets are the reason??? Where is your evidence for this?

You do realise that just because a child has a tablet it doesn't prevent them from doing all manner of other activities too, just like when they have any other item?!?

lechers · 18/05/2014 20:12

YANBU to say you don't want one for your child, but YABVU to say other children should not have them.

I personally people should walk a mile in another person's shoes before the judge.

There are a variety of reasons why a child might have their own iPods / iPads / phones. For example, one of DDs friends has got an iPhone because his dad was upgrading, and it was a leftover phone, others have them for when the child is away at the Dad's etc.

My daughter has her phone because when I drop her at school on a Friday morning, she is collected by a variety of people and taken to her hobbies / grandparents etc until I collect her on a Saturday afternoon. If someone who is due to collect let's me down, or she is dropped off but her class has been cancelled so she can call someone to pick her up etc. your child might not have time consuming hobbies, but others do.

Equally, my youngest daughter (7) has a tablet. But that's because she's expected to wait quietly for her older sister, in a confined space on a regular basis, for up to 4 hours at a time. When we're at competitions, she can't run around, or play in the traditional sense. Then I take a bag of activities, including books, sticker albums, top model etc and usually a tablet, so she can play on an app, film her big sister or watch a film. Far from being lazy parenting, I do everything I can to keep dd2 entertained and most importantly quiet whilst DD1 competes. I would be interested to know what windchime would do in this situation to avoid lazy parenting??

As I said at the start, I think people should walk a mile before they judge other people.

manicinsomniac · 18/05/2014 20:19

I agree with you OP, I don't like it at all.

I'd say about half of my DD1's Y6 class have some kind of tablet and most of them have an i-something for music etc.
I think a few of my DD2's Y2 class have something like it too!!

It doesn't have to be either/or, it can be as well as.

That depends on whether or not you can afford it. My daughters know that I can only afford all their dancing, gymnastics, drama and music because we don't have anything in the way of electronic gadgets at home and we don't buy new books, clothes and toys. It's a choice they want to go with at the moment. If they want gadgets before they're old enough to pay for them themselves then they'll have to do fewer activities. It is definitely either/or in this house.

Everyone thinks we're rich because they do so many extra curricular lessons and clubs but in reality it's just a choice - our tv broke 2 years ago and it's never got high up enough on the budgeting list to be replaced!

DamnBamboo · 18/05/2014 20:23

My kids all have their tablets and are aged 9, 6 and 4.
None of them are Ipads, two are Samsung Galaxy's and one is cheap store own-brand one.
Affordability is neither here nor there really is it - some people can afford and are happy to buy more expensive gifts than others.

popmimiboo · 18/05/2014 20:35

My 8 year old got an ipad mini for xmas. I disabled safari (for internet) and set pretty tight restrictions. She has some great, varied games on it, can watch films on long car journeys, can imessage and do facetime with her grandparents and cousins abroad (all her messages are duplicated to my iphone), take photos, videos etc... There are a lot of really fun, creative games (making her own comic strips, mini films etc.) I really think it's an excellent gadget for that age as long as you monitor the use.
As far as I know, she only has 2 friends with ipads and a maybe three who have other make tablets, certainly not all the class!

CorusKate · 18/05/2014 20:38

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Serendipity30 · 18/05/2014 21:46

Sadly this is not unusual, my DD is nine and quite a few of her classmates have these too. I have refused to do it, as I dont think it is necessary and is more about the parents rather than the child. My DD does not need it so she does not have it.

Nappaholic · 18/05/2014 22:28

We bought our 10 year old his own iPad 2 as a reward for getting into grammar school...£282 delivered....

...and now my horse has fallen in the swimming pool

vikjul · 19/05/2014 08:45

I agree with previous posters who say that you need to find what works for your own family and what you want for your own children, and then to be confident about your own choices. Then, of course, you will probably need to reevaluate your choices now and then as the children grow older.

We have chosen to be more restrictive in these matters than most of the families we know. We have a family iPad and my DS who is 8,5 is allowed to play games on it 2 hours per week, usually Fifa14 or Minecraft (no shooting games). DD who is 5,5 uses it perhaps one hour per week. In addition to this, they sometimes watch Netflix on it together, although rarely amounting to more than an hour or two per week. Also, I have recently taught DS how to make Lego stop motion films, and, of course, he is allowed to look things up on the internet (but then always asks first and I usually need to help with spelling etc).

This is the reasoning behind the balance we have reached for our family:

A family iPad rather than everyone having their own device makes it easier for us to manage screen time. We will probably reevaluate this in a year or so. I don't know how many times we have visited friends where the host children don't bother to get up to greet their guests, as they are too immersed in their screens. I find that a bit frightening, but obviously it's not the fact that they have their own screens that produces this behaviour, but rather which rules are in place.

We do want our DS (and eventually our DD) to feel comfortable socially, ie to be used to the same games that his friends play, so we are happy to show interest/download new games that he talks about, provided they are age appropriate and not violent. As far as I can see, there is no social difference among peers whether you play Fifa14 or Minecraft for 2 or say 10 hours/week. Also, I can't for the life of me imagine what skills those extra daily hours of gaming would give him?

We don't want our children to get used to instant gratification (ie as soon as you are bored, you ask to go on the iPad, which is what we see in loads of DSs friends whose parents have less restrictive/no rules in place.) We want them to develop the ability to entertain themselves in other ways. Many posters here talk about how their children are perfectly able to both spend hours on electronic devices and still be very creative and active. I can only congratulate them, but in my experience there is a direct (negative) correlation between screen time and the ability to entertain yourself. For example, my son is turning into an avid reader and gets a lot of enjoyment out of this. This is also reflected in his creative writing in school etc.

However, if his screen time wasn't limited, he would choose playing games on the iPad over reading, precisely because of the instant gratification factor. He is not old enough to make that choice for himself. And, to me, learning to concentrate on and understand longer, slower texts will be of much more use to him in school than being able to navigate on an iPad. A little judgey here, but I think our whole society is more than a little deluded in overestimating the importance of acquiring technology skills at a young age, while forgetting the skills that risk getting lost along the way.

We have also noticed that when we have had less restrictions in place, he not only doesn't read or draw or play with his sister, he is also generally in a bad mood. So the fact that "he loves going on the iPad" is not, in my mind, a good enough reason for him to do that as much as he wants to (just as I wouldn't give him unlimited access to sweets just because he likes them).

"It keeps them quiet" is never (in our family) a good reason for just handing over an electronic device. Also, I personally believe that we would be doing our children a disfavour if we didn't teach them how to manage the fact that life can be boring sometimes, as in waiting for your meal in a restaurant, waiting for an appointment etc. These minutes do not necessarily need to be filled with entertainment, on the contrary (again, not judging others, just what I want for my own children). I can just see how neurotic I am myself in constantly checking my phone as soon as I have a spare moment (although I try to be out of sight to not set a bad example...), I hope to postpone or avoid that for my children.

Sorry about long post, it's just something I've thought a lot about...

LaCerbiatta · 19/05/2014 09:21

Just to add my experience and explain why dd (8) won't be getting a tablet / iPhone any time soon. 18 months ago she got for xmas dh's old ipod touch. It was connected to the internet and had the necessary parent controls. At the time dd was fascinated by child birth. We let her watch OBEM (arguably not for her age but we thought it was ok) so she looked up on you tube "babies being born". When dh and i saw the gory inappropriate images she was looking at we disabled the internet connection and she hasn't been allowed on it since. Yesterday ds started playing with a jigsaw that was dd's and there was a paper inside. To my absolute panic, shock, horror and embarrassment it had sketches of not only babies being born but naked couples kissing and having sex. She says (and we believe her) she saw it when youtubing the births.

We were obviously naive and not vigilant enough but it's really put us off getting her anything with an Internet connection...

DogCalledRudis · 19/05/2014 09:27

I am with OP here. However, happened to have a spare Android phone. So i let my then 9 yo keep it. Wouldn't throw it away, wouldn't be able to sell it for much.

Ragwort · 19/05/2014 09:45

Despite all the above points I still struggle to understand how people can afford these sorts of gadgets for children - or how they think it is a priority for spending. Confused.

My DB buys his children every gadget going - yet regularly complains about the cost of food/clothes etc and I know he has no savings.

There are constant threads on mumsnet about how expensive it is to do the weekly shop or complaints about giving a few £s to a school charity appeal - I haven't cross checked but I am pretty sure some of these people are the same ones buying tablets and ipads.

My family is comfortably off, mortgage paid off, savings in bank, I don't have to struggle to buy food but in a million years I wouldn't spend more than £50 on my DS's Christmas or birthday present; if he wants expensive stuff he has to learn to save up for it. (He is 13).

DramaQueenofHighCs · 19/05/2014 09:56

I would say it's totally up to you for your own child. I personally think that it's a lot of money to be spent on a young child who may break it. Then again if they can be trusted and know the value of it........ Your child, your choice.

My DS, aged 5, does have 'his own' iPhone, but it can't make calls. It's DH's old one as when he went to upgrade his phone he would only have got £15 back for it so decided to keep it and give it to DS. He's only allowed it occasionally (we look after it) and has been told under no uncertain terms that if it gets lost or broken we will not get a replacement until he is at least 11!

Lanabelle · 19/05/2014 10:04

I don't allow mine to have them and I teach at the farm I work at, I have a big box at the front and all mobile phones/ ipads/ ipods etc go in there at the beginning, get fed up because classes are 5-10 and 11-15 years old so the things suitable for 15 year old is not always considered acceptable for the parents of an 11year old. Have asked that there are not taken to the farm, get moaned at every time these get broken on said farm but we have no responsibility for personal belongings

VIPissArtist · 19/05/2014 10:08

Its not so much the cost of the ipad and the young child, its the cost to the childhood of children allowed to have one and use it all the time.

A broken ipad can be replaced but a childhoood on the screen?

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