10% of NHS budget is spent on t2 diabetes vast majority is self inflicted, aibu to think they should contribute?

[Lauranda]

Its estimated that the cost will go up 17% by 2020. Something needs to change or the NHS will collapse.

Maybe make people that are overweight pay something towards their treatment would in courage people to eat better and exercise more.

Don't be too generous with the carrots, might make people fat.

rabbitrisen yes indeed.

Dreamer789 - "Maybe she is sick of seeing fat gits at work who won't cut down on fatty food and just sit in front of TV all day?"

You need to check your logic (such as it is) - if they are working, they aren't home all day sitting in front of the TV! But if you were trying to make yourself look dim, you did a fine job!

are you seroiusly suggesting my 14 year old very slim child shouldnt have treatment .what about smoking /alcohol related diseases .junkies . infact what about me .i fell from a bike my own stupid fault and had to have my leg operated on .

i mean no moaning about that lot paying

Sadly, I think Dreamer meant Lauranda might be sick of seeing 'fat gits' at Lauranda's own place of work. She is employed as a carer, apparently, and what a truly caring person she is, on the evidence of this thread.

You might be right, AllMimsy - and if you are, that makes Lauranda a truly vile person, to be in a caring role and to judge her clients in such an uncaring fashion.

Dreamer - I apologise.

my t2 is herited but yes im overweight my mum and both her parents had it just because someone may be fat may not be why they have diabetes!

The OP is clearly a candidate for NHS treatment herself. Unfortunately there is a sizeable waiting list for the particular procedure she needs so her head will have to remain jammed in her posterior for the next wee while at least.

I think anyone who has ever smoked anything, ever, or anyone who has ever drunk more than 14 units in a week or anyone who has ever gone a day without eating 5 (no wait, 7, no 10!) fruit and veg or anyone who has ever gone outside without sunscreen on should pay for the whole NHS all by themselves. Oh, hold on, that's everyone in the whole country and we are all already paying. Tricky business this health policy lark .

And just to try and make something of this thread for anybody worried reading it - yes weight is a risk factor for Type 2. However so are genetics, racial background, exercise profile and other health conditions and treatments. Most of those risk factors are very hard to influence - even weight. Exercise is by far the easiest for us all to do something about and exercise lowers both blood sugar and BP. So if you're worried don't beat yourself up about the things you can't change - just try and go for a swim or a bike ride or a brisk walk or do the hoovering at ultra speed or some intensive gardening.

YABU.

So many things can be regarded as self inflicted, why target one particular group?

I wouldn't apologise to Dreamer, STDG. She was the one who introduced the idea of fat gits, not Lauranda.

The Daily Mail eh?
It never ceases to plumb new depths.

I'm a bit sorry the OP's not in my area. I was thinking of enquiring whether her towel toting tweeting fitness guru of a husband offered discounts to mumsnetters motivated by the OP's particular brand of encouragement.

ok, so, given that people already contribute to the nhs through taxation, according to their income, what you are proposing is an additional sum on top of this which is based on your lifestyle? Isthis lifestyle generally or are you limiting this top up contribution to being fat?

What about drinkers? Smokers? Drug takers? people who engage in risky hobbies? People in high risk occupations? City dwellers? People who live in high crime areas?

What about social class? That has a proven impact on health, according to statistics? As does mental health.

People on low income it has been argued live a less healthy lifestyle, should this extra charge include a poor people surcharge? If you have less than £x monthly income it is assumed you will be less healthy so you pay £x more?

And will all this be means tested? or proportional to income? Or will it be a flat rate per habit, hobby, figure or lifestyle choice?

How much will it cost to administer such a system? Will it require a whole government department? Will people be subject to annual medical exams and at what cost? Or will we see an insurance style system with everyone getting an individual quote based on their circumstances? If someone lies on their forms and later needs treatment for, say, a smoking related disease when they claimed they didn't smoke, will they be fined? How will money be recovered?

How much money is likely to be saved by introducing such a system, roughly? You know, the savings to the nhs - the cost of administration of such a system?

I assume that you have given it a great deal of thought and I'd be interested to know how you think such a system would work.

I was being sarcastic about OP, no offence intended to anyone, apologies

Sorry, Dreamer! Irony detector failed. for you too.

YABU - as PP have said, what about pregnancy, car accidents Etc - most things are 'self inflicted'

How have you failed to realise that the nhs is not free? Do you not look at your pay cheque every month? Or is this just an excuse for some fat shaming op?

I think Dreamer meant Lauranda might be sick of seeing 'fat gits' at Lauranda's own place of work. She is employed as a carer, apparently, and what a truly caring person she is, on the evidence of this thread

Yes this. I wonder whether her work as a carer who sees the complications of diabetes has contributed to this view not that it is justifiable

I'd rather see people contribute to the cost of their maternity care before we start charging people for the privilege of illnesses and injuries they'd rather not have.

Dinosnores, I was interested in what you said way up thread about 80% of your weight being down to genetics. I always notice how few fat people are visible in post-war and fifties newsreels. Obviously there was less food around then and certainly much less high fat, high sugar, junk. But if weight was largely genetic wouldn't you expect a good many of those people to be fat regardess?

It is frequently said on here that being overweight is because of some underlying problem, but I do wonder how often that is simply an excuse. I know why I am over weight, too many calories going in, too few going out.

I've just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, and yes, I do think it was largely self inflicted.

Op yabu, the people I know with type 1 and 2 diabetes aren't fat. They were a mixture of very young (2 years) old when diagnosed. Elderly. And someone who lost their parent had a breakdown and developed type 1 diabetes. None of them were fat or deserved to get diabetes.

I hope to God that neither me or any of my loved ones are ever in a position where we're reliant on someone with your views to care for us.

Your post suggests very little understanding of the various causes of this illness, not all of which are related to weight and/or lifestyle choices. Perhaps you should post a few details of your medical history, your sporting activities, your social life etc, so we can all make judgements on what contributions you should make to any future NHS care.

What about pregnancy related diabetes? Do they have to pay twice? Once for the diabetes treatment and once for antenatal care?
Precisely where do you stop this particular train you numpty?