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To think that YES, you can have reasonable hours and a good work/life balance as a teacher

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WistfulForTravel · 04/05/2014 20:21

I'm 22, a 3rd year Primary Education BEd student, I love my degree and every assignment and placement cements the fact that teaching is my vocation and is what I want to do as a career.

However, I've been getting a lot of negative comments from my aunties and neighbors about how I'll never have a life again, how most of my waking hours will be consumed with thoughts of work, how I'll never even have one day to truly relax during the 13 weeks off, how it'll be a 7am - 9 pm job, etc.

I know teaching is more full on than some jobs, but is it really this intense? I am friends with a few teachers and they seem to have a healthy work/life balance (time for guys/sports/hobbies, at least one full weekend day off, out 1-3 nights a week) They have no kids though. I imagine it would be very different when you have kids.

Is it possible to practice effective time management + work very hard during the week so you can have the weekend off?

As much as I've enjoyed my course and look forward to my first class in September (eek!) my philosophy is more a 'Work to Live' not 'Live to Work'

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phlebasconsidered · 07/05/2014 22:04

Plus academies can pay what they choose. As a return to worker after kids, in a rural area with no teacher shortage, and awash in academies, I am being paid 4 whole points lower than I left for maternity on. All the people in post since me have been NQT's. And now there is ppi they can be on 21k till they leave! I will be paid more on supply.

ExCinnamon · 08/05/2014 16:36

phlebas, same here, 3 points lower than previous job, more than a decade teaching experience. I do regret taking the job now. But I won't let my colleagues down by chucking it in. I know they would have to cover my lessons.

phlebasconsidered · 08/05/2014 17:07

Me too. I stuck it out and decided to stay till the end of July, but after that, never again will I set foot in an academy. The bullying, nepotism and sheer fear factor has been something to behold.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 17:40

no experiences of academies and sad to hear they're exploiting their powers like that.

there is one thing worse than being turned into an academy and that is being the next nearest school to it and suffering them being able to be selective and therefore making your intake even more challenging. that's a biased view obviously.

LaQueenOfTheMay · 08/05/2014 17:57

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TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 19:50

really - they're the only variables you can think of?

cricketballs · 08/05/2014 19:51

LaQueen - its more than likely the different attitude of SLT in the two schools rather than different personallities...

For example my SLT are slightly more relaxed and I am allowed to decide what I do when I do for the most; for example I decided that during the EAster break I was not going to do any school work but spend time with DS/doing gardeningdoing nothing! (I am paying the price now though with CA samples to be sent in/CA marks to be entered/revision classes/yr 8 reports all due this week).

However a close friend of mine works in a different school and was told that their pay scale movement would be affected if they didn't run revision sessions during the Easter break...

lechers · 08/05/2014 19:52

LaQueen,

It is not necessarily that but often down to the expectations of the head / SMT.

Take for example, two schools I taught in:

School 1:
Expected to maintain close relationships with parents and tuttees. Expected to organise and run school socials for my tutor group, to contact parents if there were any problems with tutees, and to deal with any problems with my tutor group. Teachers were expected to contact parents via email, and respond to any issues parents had in the first instance.

Expected to report to parents three times a year. Term 1: written reports, term 2: parents' evening, term 3: full written reports. Initial written reports were about 100 words, with summer written reports being 250 words (bearing in mind I taught over 400 students a week). All reports had to be individually written and we were not allowed to copy and paste. All reports were checked by SMT. For parents' evening, there were two per year group except sixth form. This means that I had to stay for 14 parents' evenings over the spring term. That was pretty much every week.

Expected to participate in extra curricular activities such as house evening, help out at discos and so on.

There were schemes of work, but each teacher was expected to write their own lessons and to prepare their own resources. You didn't have your own classroom, so you had to take everything to the classroom with you when you needed it. Every teacher had to do three duties a week (one lunch, one break and one before / after school) for which you got lunch but was expected to eat this with the students.

School was split site, and teachers had to walk between the two sites every lesson.

Teachers were expected to run school detention, including Saturday morning detention.

School two:
Teachers were not to have contact with parents. That was the role of the head of year. Parents were not to email teachers directly, but any issues were to go through the head of year.

Reports were written once a year, and then there was parents' evening once a year. I did 7 parents' evenings and wrote the same number of reports, but we used word banks to generate the reports, so that took hours to do, as opposed to days in the first school.

There was no expectation that I would be involved in anything extra curricular at all. Very few staff did,

Schemes of works and lessons plans were written with complete set of resources. I was free to make up my own lessons if I wanted to, but I wanted to use the set lesson, I could literally just walk in, grab the lesson plan and the resources and teach. I had my own classroom with all the resources to hand.

I did not manage any detentions, this was organised by senior team. I only did break duties, but no lunch duties.

Both were state schools. At school A, I could be seen working an 80 hour week at busy times, with 50+ being the norm. At school B, a 50 hour working week would be towards the bust week, with 40 being the norm.

Did I suddenly become more organised when I started teaching at school B? No, the expectations were different, they were much lower (although this school was not as middle class / high achieving, so classroom management was much more of an issue).

It's naive to think that the amount of work a teacher does is simply related to how organised they are. As I said in my very first post, there are too many other factors involved such as the subject the teacher teaches, the age and stage taught, number of students in a class, and perhaps most importantly expectations of SMT. In my experience (16 years), schools differ massively in what they expect of their staff, as has been shown on this thread!

rollonthesummer · 08/05/2014 20:10

I can only think it's down to their personalities and attitudes towards life/work.

There are far more influental factors than those at play here.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:17

Schemes of works and lessons plans were written with complete set of resources. I was free to make up my own lessons if I wanted to, but I wanted to use the set lesson, I could literally just walk in, grab the lesson plan and the resources and teach. I had my own classroom with all the resources to hand.

see people who have never taught or have only taught in ridiculously cushy jobs will never know how idyllic and dream come true ish that paragraph is.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:19

resources? resources! wow! imagine that! imagine actually having resources ready to use rather than having to create them for every.single.fucking.lesson.

my subject area is particularly under resourced i'm aware but my god what i would do for available usable resources.

LaQueenOfTheMay · 08/05/2014 20:23

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TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:24

'martyred to' or is less resilient? how much resilience do you want/need/expect in a teacher? bearing in mind they might be on 23k for the rest of their life - how 'super' elite, take it in their stride etc do you want them to be?

LaQueenOfTheMay · 08/05/2014 20:34

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TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:40

you miss the point. wage offered = capability you can expect.

if you're expecting super resilience, willingness to work 50 hrs a week etc and to take in their stride and seem to cope wonderfully as you seem to think people should then that is a very, very small pool of people. if you then treat them like shit on top of making them work hard for way less than they're capable of earning elsewhere then clearly plenty are going to leave.

if everyone who couldn't 'cope' with the state of teaching nowadays got up and left there'd be a hell of a lot of people wondering how they could go to work tomorrow. we need a lot of teachers, we pay them relatively little and we make their jobs incredibly time, energy and emotionally demanding. it doesn't add up.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:42

sorry i perhaps didn't put that clearly enough - i meant there would be a hell of a lot parents with nowhere for their children to go and therefore no way to get to work.

you go high paid to put up with the hell or you improve circumstances to make it a bearable job for low pay. you can't do low pay AND massive expectations and expect things to go well.

SueDNim · 08/05/2014 20:51

One problem you get with teachers is that they get stuck. I have seen 50 yo burnt out teachers. They still have a mortgage to pay and family to support, so can't take the wage cut that would come from starting again in another career.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:56

sorry is that a problem with teachers or a problem with the profession - that people should be burnt out at 50?

TheHoneyBadger · 08/05/2014 20:58

do lawyers get 'stuck'? or doctors? a profession is something you intend to do for life. you're not 'stuck', you've chosen a career. should doctors piss off at 50 to a minimum wage and accept that ah they just weren't cut out for it if their working conditions become untenable?

TheGruffalo2 · 08/05/2014 21:00

Schemes of works and lessons plans were written with complete set of resources. As primary teachers we are all starting a new curriculum, so we are all practically starting from scratch with topics. I anticipate spending a good chunk of my summer holidays preparing and resourcing the new topics that tie together all the subjects in the new curriculum, especially history based topics.

AndreasVesalius · 08/05/2014 21:12

Secondary History here and having to completely rewrite KS3 and KS4 this year, KS5 next year. Then I get an email from the exam board asking for my views on Labour's plans should they win the election. Obviously I want to encourage this because Gove is a twat, and I am a member of the Labour Party, but it will mean more work again. Yay.

Wanders off to emerge herself in the seven years war...

SueDNim · 08/05/2014 21:14

TheHoneyBadger - I didn't mean that it is the fault of the teachers, it is very much a criticism of the system. 50 yo teachers didn't enter into the profession as it is today, but they are rather stuck with it. And if you look back at previous generations of teachers, I am not convinced that the same problem was there. 2 of my grandparents were teachers and both made it to the normal retirement age at the time.

If you consider doctors and lawyers - I am not sure that medicine and law have changed in the same way as teaching. I don't doubt that they have changed. They are both (generally) higher paying professions. That pay differential may allow semi-retirement or early retirement in a way that classroom teaching won't.

One of the key reasons that I left teaching was that I really doubted that I would be able to do it until 67 or whatever the retirement age will be when I get there. I left while I was young enough to start again and didn't have a family to support.

AndreasVesalius · 08/05/2014 21:19

I wonder about the practicalities of teaching until 68/70. I teach in classrooms 1/4 of a mile apart and have to carry all of my resources/laptop up a steep hill to get to one of the rooms. We get no travelling time. I can see myself taking ages to get up the hill, struggling to breathe when I do, and the bell going for the end of the lesson just as I regain the ability to speak!

lechers · 08/05/2014 21:21

LaQueen, I think you are spectacularly missing the point!