Circumcision: A Social Status in the UK ?

[Amazonia]

Curiously in the UK, circumcision is now a matter of social class. While the "ordinary" folks rarely circumcise, circumcision is prevalent in the upper class as well as in the Royal family.

Martorana - not sure whether your post suggests you are reading those stats as favouring the US, but it's the other way round. And of course circumcision rates in the US are massively higher than those in Denmark.

Grovelling apologies if I'm misinterpreting your post!

If I hadn't signed a thing at DS's school promising I would never say "oh. I'm crap at maths..........." I would say that I'm crap at maths!

The Danes always struck me as being a clean people...........

Skipped to end, so sorry if this is repeating.

How does circumcision reconcile with religion? I guess my question is, if this piece of skin needs to be removed, isn't this suggesting God made a mistake in our design? Does God make mistakes then? Surely not.

Or is this merely cultural practice, initially due to hot climates, that has become dogma? Perhaps it needs rethinking.

Please explain how your last comment was meant to be an honest contribution to the thread PigletJohn.

MMartorana, where did I say that?

Are you calling me silly again, PigletJohn?

Why are you using personal insults?
Are you unaware of the MN talk guidelines?

And nice personal digs there Bear and UncleT.

Anyone else want to pile in?

Before you do, I suggest you refer to the MN talk guidelines.

You may be so invested in your pov that you feel you have some sort of a right to make personal attacks, but hopefully the talk guidelines will remind you of the importance of civility.

Caitlin, since you are so well able to predict how I will respond to your posts, why are you bothering to address me at all?

Math- I just don't get the circumcision is essential because condoms are unreliable thing. I just don't.

LittleBear this type of personal attack on Math is really distasteful - I have had the same on circumcision threads even though I never, ever talk about my personal circumstances - or even whether my son is circumcised. This is completely unacceptable in my view.

Furthermore, isn't it obvious that your little nasty dig can just easily be reversed against you? Eg "LittleBear, I'm guessing you foolishly failed to properly read and research infant circumcision years ago, and you are now desperately trying to berate people who did so that you can convince yourself and others that you are a good mother and let go of your guilt." Does this ring true at all? No? Then you can bet your arse that mothers of circumcised sons don't recognise themselves in your statement either.

British non-handwashing habits

'In a recent UK-wide study, 99% of people interviewed at motorway service stations toilets claimed they had washed their hands after going to the toilet. Electronic recording devices revealed only 32% of men and 64% of women actually did...

...The British approach to hand washing is often "bizarre" and "peculiar", say hygiene experts. So what is our problem? A lot comes down to perception and how we see ourselves, also to a lack of understanding about the simplest hygiene.'

British non-bathing

'Millions of Britons neglect a string of basic personal hygiene tasks - because they are too busy or too lazy, a survey found today.

Researchers found barely half of adults always wash their hands with soap after visiting the toilet.

And shockingly 27 per cent of workers claim to be too rushed at work to wash and dry their hands properly after visiting the toilet.

Additionally, 58 per cent of men regularly skip the morning shower - with one quarter admitting they would rather have the extra time in bed.'

I'll take my circles any time, PigletJohn. You can keep yours.

Primafacie, if you look at LittleBear's post you will see that you are misrepresenting it. Nowhere does LittleBear suggest that math foolishly failed to do anything. What is it on MN with people making up what people have posted so as to find an excuse to berate them for it?

Icimoi - you are right, LittleBear doesn't say foolishly - I'm saying that - hence using "e.g." in my post. I did not attribute this to her

She uses 'desperately' and 'comically'. So what exactly is your point? LittleBear's post is a personal attack, in that she is directly suggesting that Math's motivation is saving face and/or guilt. I am telling you that this is highly unlikely, as the overwhelming majority of parents and boys are perfectly happy (in a 'non-issue' way) with the decision made to proceed with infant circumcision. And good on them, as they are right.

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Math, I have certainly commented on your silliness in trying to create and win an argument by redefining the meaning of words so that you pretend they apricot something other than what they actually turnip mean.

I don't know what you are pretending to be offended by. It is your frequently-repeated allegation that people smell of stale urine, sweat and smegma?

I didn't say it was face-saving or guilt. How odd.

I was just musing that perhaps faced with other people's opposing point of view Math was keen to defend her decision / argue her point of view which she is entirely free to do.

I did say that if she though she'd done the right thing that was up to her but others might disagree.

They are doing so but are being accused of personal attacks left right and centre.

Primafacie

the overwhelming majority of parents and boys are perfectly happy (in a 'non-issue' way) with the decision made NOT to proceed with infant circumcision. And good on them, as they are right.

Personal dig? No. Certainly no worse than completely and clearly deliberately misrepresenting my views at any rate, which I take pretty darn personally.

Yes, personal digs, most distasteful, and in contravention of MN guidelines.

And use of personal insults is not in accord with MN guidelines either, PigletJohn.