Circumcision: A Social Status in the UK ?

[Amazonia]

Curiously in the UK, circumcision is now a matter of social class. While the "ordinary" folks rarely circumcise, circumcision is prevalent in the upper class as well as in the Royal family.

mathanxiety Tue 06-May-14 16:59:48

If anyone has questions about men washing once every 24 hours they can ask PigletJohn. He supplied that nugget I believe.

math, that is quite simply not true.

I refer you to your post where you introduced the once-in-24-hours idea yourself.

mathanxiety Sat 03-May-14 22:12:54

"You are right about the soap, running water, etc. Too bad there are so many teenage boys and young men who don't seem to understand what those conveniences are for. You can take a horse to water, etc..

Assuming a man takes a shower or bath every 24 hours because the rest of him needs washing, and assuming there is a good deal of peeing, sweating and production of smegma in the course of those 24 hours, the part under the foreskin is actually going to need soap and water long before the rest of the body shows signs of needing to be washed."

It is shameful that after you have introduced this idea, you attempt to pretend that it is my assertion.

PigletJohn continues to provoke, post inflammatory and disgusting comparisons of male circumcision to FGM, and gross misrepresentations of my posts.

A spade is a spade.

A fine example of misogyny there PigletJohn.

where?

I'm reporting your post unless you can come up with a valid argument for that, you shouldn't be using personal attacks such as "misogynist" and "unable to read".

nonsense.

"Do you count HIV as a std Martorana?"

Yes. And condoms provide the best protection. If you are having unprotected sex, then there is some evidence that circumcised men are less vulnerable to the virus, I agree. But no man should have unprotected sex unless he wants to have a baby anyway. It is only suggested as a last ditch prophylactic in areas where men are very resistant to condom use. Presumably your sons, as educated, aware, sexually responsible adults will not fall into this category?

I quoted another poster then PigletJohn.

I would like to see whatever evidence you have to the contrary, and of course as stated I reserve the right to ignore it and keep on pestering you for evidence to support whatever claim you make.

"I quoted another poster then PigletJohn."

Wrong.

I find it absolutely incredible that a parent feels he/she has the right to mutilate their child's tiny body without their consent or for any good medical reason.

It's simply abuse.

It's also done in countries that divide into doing it for religious/custom reasons or in ones with private health care systems that are obviously raking in the profits.

Both are disgraceful.

How much do you want to bet that all men use condoms correctly enough each time, Martorana, even the best educated and instructed? What in your opinion is the failure rate for condoms?

www.catie.ca/en/catienews/2012-03-20/high-prevalence-condom-use-errors-and-problems-implications-hiv-prevention-mess

Condom use errors

• Late application of condom during intercourse – 17% to 51% of participants; 2% to 25% of events
• Early removal of condom during intercourse – 14% to 45% of participants; 1% to 27% of events
• Completely unrolling condom before putting it on – 2% to 25% of participants
• Not leaving space at the tip of the condom – 24% to 46% of participants
• Putting the condom on inside out and then flipping it over to use – 4% to 30% of participants
• Starting sex before the condom is unrolled to the base of the penis – 9% to 11% of participants
• Using a sharp object to open package – 2% to 11% of participants; 4% to 8% of events
• Knowingly using a damaged condom – 0 to 0.6% of participants; 1.5% of events
• Not checking condom for physical damage – 75% to 83% of participants
• Using a condom that was not lubricated – 16% to 26% of participants
• Using an oil-based lubricant – 3% to 5% of participants; 4% of events
• Incorrect withdrawal or not holding the base of the condom during withdrawal – 27% to 31% of participants; 43% to 57% of events
• Reuse of a condom – 1% to 3% of participants; 1.5% of events
• Storage and expiration date issues – 3% to 19% of participants

1. Condom Problems (potentially resulting from condom use errors)

• Breakage – 1% to 41% of participants; 0 to 33% of events
• Slippage during intercourse – 13% to 19% of participant; 0 to 7% of events
• Slippage during withdrawal – 12% to 15% of participants; 0 to 13% of events
• Slippage at any point during intercourse or withdrawal – 1% to 36% of participants; 0 to 78% of events
• Leakage – 8% to 13% of participants; 0 to 7% of events
• Breakage and slippage or complete failure – 25% to 45% of participants; 1% to 8% of events

1. Condom Problems (potentially leading to condom use errors/problems or inconsistent use)

• Erection problems during application – 14% to 28% of participants; 5% to 9% of events
• Erection problems during intercourse – 10% to 20% of participants; 6% to 20% of events
• Problems with fit and feel of condom – 7% to 30% of participants; 9% to 45% of events

Any post that seeks to compare male circumcision to FGM is gross and disgusting misogyny.

please show us some of the posts that you have in mind.

Any post that seeks to compare male circumcision to FGM is gross and disgusting misogyny.

this is your point of view, you are entitled to hold the point of view but you are not entitled to call another poster a misogynist for a) disagreeing with you or b) holding another point of view.

Well math, YOU are the one that keeps bringing it up, over and over again, in order to try and change the subject. You are failing though.

Condom use errors

Yes, condoms can fail if not used properly. But what's your point?
Are you suggesting that if a condom fails, circumcision will protect from disease?

I point out misogyny when I see it brought up by other posters as I said I would earlier in this thread.

If you want me to stop calling it then stop posting it.

*I point out misogyny when I see it brought up by other posters as I said I would earlier in this thread.

If you want me to stop calling it then stop posting it.*

As I just said, it is not misogyny to hold a different viewpoint and you are being grossly unfair.

I repeat, if you want me to stop calling it then stop posting it.

The point abut condom failure is that they are not the be all and end all of std or pregnancy protection as claimed.

It's not misogyny for someone to feel that circumcision without consent or medical need is mutilation.

Your last post is childish.

What has condom use/misuse got to do with this? Is math seriously suggesting circumcision is a more effective/replacement method of preventing disease? If a man is circumcised he can't catch anything?

math your attempts to cry misogynist are pretty pathetic. Circumcision is a procedure with questionable, if any medical benefits, carried out on a person who cannot consent. Some parents object to MMR but the courts have over-ruled the objection because of the overwhelming evidence of medical benefits.

It is pure misogyny to compare FGM, which eliminates all hope of ever experiencing sexual pleasure in its victims and greatly increases the chance of experiencing life threatening difficulties both during and after childbirth, to mother and baby alike, to male circumcision.

It is demeaning and insulting to the victims of FGM, women and their babies alike, to compare it with a procedure on males that has no effect on sexual functioning or pleasure and no effect except a positive one on future general health.

If posters here are going to persist in demeaning and insulting women who are victims of FGM then I will call that misogyny because that is what it is.

BaronDent, your reference is an anti-Semitic slur.