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AIBU?

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to think it is incredibly rude to let yourself in the back of someone else's house

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bedraggledmumoftwo · 19/04/2014 16:23

We don't have a good relationship with my in-laws. I don't want to dripfeed so will explain the backstory. MIL is toxic, fil is lovely but guided by mil whispering venom into his ear, which has led to some rows between my dh and them, largely since dd1 was born and they decided they wanted to impose on us more without any thought for when it was convenient to us. They didn't speak to us at all for three months until i brokered a peace deal against my better judgement After that we deliberately tried to keep them at a reasonable distance and agreed to have them stay for the weekend every three months. I know to some of you that will sound awful, but given we only saw them once a year previously and that dh works away all week and only has the weekends when he is often still doing work stuff but at home to spend time with his kids, give me a break and see all the various people that want to visit, which includes my parents, his sister, his grandparents, my grandmother and our friends. So actually that was about as much as we could realistically offer or bear . We did face time etc as well so things were ok.

We kept this up for a year, until they suddenly declared when i was pregnant that they were house hunting in our town! We had been carefully managing expectations and kept our distance to avoid ww3, yet they somehow got the idea it was a good idea for them to move hundreds of miles to live on our doorstep! After much soul searching DH decided it was better to say something to nip this in the bud rather than pretend we were ok with it and let them waste money and leave everything and everyone they knew, including FILs disabled brother, only to be surprised that we weren't suddenly able to spend all our time with them. He had a difficult conversation explaining that we weren't comfortable with it and said that even if they lived next door we would only be able to see them once a month. They were understandably upset by this and DH was certain they would never speak to him again. But no, within a fortnight they had sold their house and offered on a house in Bedraggledville. He didn't say anything else, what more could he say really? So for the next few months we got biweekly emails about the trials and tribulations of their house move, until they finally moved in the week dd2 was born just what we needed!

Anyway, needless to say, they arrived fully expecting to see a lot of the dds us, and with the timing it was impossible to stick to once a month without being really rude. I am now just trying to make the best of a bad situation, although my blood boils when i think about heinous things MIL has said and done in the past or the fact that they have imposed themselves on us against our express wishes. However, my biggest concern, given i am on mat leave, was that they would start popping over uninvited, or generally making themselves at home. They haven't done the former, probably because they badger us for invitations so much and are getting what they want and seeing dd at least once a week. But today i looked up from my lunch to see MIL coming in the back door. We were expecting them this afternoon btw. I asked if DH was round the front and let them round, she said no, the gate was open Now the side gate is not visible from the drive or front door, they must have specifically gone to check if it was open BEFORE going to ring the front doorbell, which is much closer to their car. I assume they probably do this every time, as we started keeping it locked around the time they decided to move, so this is the first time it hasn't been locked since they have been here as DH was doing stuff in the garden. I am so furious. They know that i am breastfeeding and usually pump while eating my lunch, so they could easily have walked in on me with my boobs out. But that's not the point, i should not have to worry about people walking in on me in the comfort of my own home. If someone is already here, in the garden with us, fine, but if you are just arriving you ring the damn doorbell to announce your presence. i thought vampires needed to be invited in but apparently not this one!

ugh. Sorry. Rant over. Given the relationship is strained at best, and especially given they know i am pumping and bfing so may have my tits out and that we keep the gate locked therefore don't expect people to let themselves through it as a matter of course, AIBU unreasonable to expect them to use the front door?

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Grennie · 19/04/2014 18:40

And maybe your MIL really is toxic and you need to keep your distance. But I admit it reminds me of my SIL who keeps all of us at a very long distance. She is totally unaccepting of anyone who doesn't do things her way.

bedraggledmumoftwo · 19/04/2014 18:45

Loving the peeping tom suggestions. Getting my dh into a compromising position might make him start leaving the gate open deliberately though!

chocolate i can just about cope with my own parents seeing me express, but it isn't something you do in front of strangers like breastfeeding. I don't see many people pumping in Costa! And these people are not MY family, i didn't grow up seeing them naked, would you seriously strip off in front of your father in law?!? You must have been married for much longer than me.

anyway, you obviously missed the part where i am letting them spend time with the gc once a week during the week
and my husband is only home at weekends, so seeing them one day a month is a large chunk of his time when he doesn't have a good relationship with them anyway. I really don't see why people who never gave a crap before suddenly think they have a right to insert themselves into your lives once you procreate as if they have some right to spend time with gcs and try not to mess up their relationship with them too

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Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme · 19/04/2014 19:53

AlpacaYourThings Genius! Grin

Fizzyplonk · 19/04/2014 21:36

Once a week with just you fine plus once a month with DH there.
I'd definitely keep everything locked and get in the habit of leaving your mobile on silent too.

MomOfTwoGirls2 · 19/04/2014 23:53

Well,if GPs can access your house via open gate and backdoor, so can burglers. Lock the gate and back door, keep your house safe.

I breast fed infront of everyone, PILs, family, strangers. But did my expressing privately. So can totally sympathise there...

But it could be worse, they could have zero interest in your DC. You really wouldn't like that.

olgaga · 20/04/2014 00:27

I would keep gates and doors locked from now on. You'll soon get in the habit.

No-one has the right to walk into your house uninvited. If they say anything you can tell them that when they walked in without warning, you realised how vulnerable you & DC were to intruders.

So in future you'll keep the house locked and only answer the door when you're expecting someone!

chocolatemademefat · 20/04/2014 00:33

Now I think you're way too controlling. I didnt suggest your PIL's seeing you pumping milk was a normal thing - maybe you should read my comments again and try and understand them this time.

You seem to have great difficulty seeing anyone else's point of view so why post on here if you just want everyone to agree with you?
As for allowing your in-laws - who you claim are not your family - to spend time with their grandchildren once a week - big wow. Yes I have been married a long time and that gives me insights you definately don't appear to have any understanding of yet - one day you might have to depend on these people and I doubt given your attitude when someone doesnt agree with you that the unrest between you is completely one-sided.
Maybe you should grow up and stop behaving like an entitled child.

mimishimmi · 20/04/2014 03:06

YANBU. Our dog bit someone once when he let himself in through my parent's back gate. Luckily my mum was there and saw the whole incident (he didn't announce himself).He complained we should have the dog put down. Er no.... They knew him slightly from church and always thought he was a bit creepy and overfamiliar. This confirmed the impression.

MrsBeakman · 20/04/2014 05:16

YANBU. Very rude. Lock them out and don't answer the door unless you have arranged to see them. You might need a spy hole.

zzzzz · 20/04/2014 06:00

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bedraggledmumoftwo · 20/04/2014 07:22

Chocolate I thought i made it clear that i was posting on here to rant as an alternative to shouting at my rude in laws in person! So yes, i probably do just want people to agree with me but doubt that is uncommon on here! I have read and reread both your posts, but without you knowing the details you cant understand that my MIL isn't just a pain, she is toxic. She has alienated everyone in her life to the point where we are all she has, even her own mother doesn't speak to her, yet for some reason i keep trying with her, albeit while putting in boundaries to protect us. I am letting her spend time with my children hoping that in a few years time they don't disappoint her in some minor way and be "dead to her" like her son was until i stepped in and brokered a peace deal. Yes, i cant stand her, but i am polite and have gone out of my way to try and build bridges with someone i ultimately think will do my daughters more damage than good.

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LoveBeingCantThinkOfAName · 20/04/2014 07:31

So don't bother, this is your golden opportunity

FunkyBoldRibena · 20/04/2014 07:58

You should have listened to your husband and never brokered a peace deal in the first place.

bedraggledmumoftwo · 20/04/2014 08:29

Yeah, but i felt bad for my FIL and worried about what it would do to my DH if he really broke off all contact with his parents. I think MIL is permanently damaged from her own lack of relationship with her parents and didnt want history repeating itself down the line with DH. If we ever end up in a similar situation again i probably wont bother (especially since "my son is dead to me" was said to me on the phone while i was brokering the peace, but i kept trucking anyway, although since then has really bothered me). But it will have to be something big, this and their general lack of respect for our boundaries is just an irritation best alleviated by ranting on mumsnet and fantasising about rigging up booby traps!

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Billygoats · 20/04/2014 08:49

Sorry to disagree with the majority but i think YABU. You clearly hate this woman so anything she does will annoy you. You say they are not your family but I bet they see you as a part of theirs. You are married to their son and mother to their grandchildren so they are technically your family. I have a family member who is very good at pushing everybody away and just plain rude (and a little mean) and I agree it's blooming tiring but I would feel awful pushing her away myself and know not getting to see my dd would break her heart.

How about instead of making it a big occasion to see them each time you could just pop round for a cup of tea for half an hour or so . Then it will feel less arranged and less pressure to entertain them and take over your whole weekend with your OH.

vjg13 · 20/04/2014 08:55

I think you are doing really well in difficult circumstances, the letting herself in thing is awful though!

In the longer term though, having them closer may come in useful for baby sitting etc.

MorrisZapp · 20/04/2014 09:08

As an aside, is it normal to sit in an unlocked house? I live in a flat with a Yale lock so it's not the same, but I would have thought even in houses with back doors etc
The door is locked until it needs to be open?

Pp said she hated sitting in a house with the doors locked. This isn't how anybody I know lives.

Apologies for unhelpful diversion! Op yabu a little bit I think, but you should sort all this out with your DH.

Grennie · 20/04/2014 09:12

Yes everyone I know sits in a house with locked doors - at least with a yale lock on.

bedraggledmumoftwo · 20/04/2014 09:23

You are all taking me out of context- i didn't say they are not my family generally, i said it in the context that i hadn't grown up seeing them naked and was not comfortable with them walking in on me with my boobs out! I know i am their family, as i have explained already, we are all that they have got left as MIL has already alienated everyone else in their lives. Which is why i felt sorry for her and intervened as peacemaker when she decided to do the same with her son, and which is why i am sucking it up and seeing them without dh every single week, while he gets away with seeing them once a month even they are his parents.

Morris yes, now that we live in a house with a good deal of privacy, we would often leave the back door unlocked while we are in. We used to live in a flat, when no one could get in without buzzing and us unlocking the door. Nowadays we would leave the side gate and back door unlocked for our own convenience but the front door locked, except that we started keeping the gate locked precisely to avoid this situation.

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LouiseAderyn · 20/04/2014 09:23

It's a shame you have to do it but I think you will have tokeep all doors locked.

My ils used to do the dropping round thing without any notice or consideration for whether we had plans or not.

The only way to deal with it is to mean what you say. So far you have caved in to everything they wanted so no wonder they take no notice of what you say.

So many people worry about the feelings of people who don't worry about theirs in return.

wheresthelight · 20/04/2014 09:24

You have my sympathy bedraggled! I live in an area of the country where it is very common to just walk in to people's houses using the back door and it drives me nuts n dp's exw walked in without Knockin through the bloody front door the other week (I went mental)

I would tell them straight, they come when invited and at no other time. And like everyone else they use the doorbell and do not just waltz into your house. I would point out its non negotiatable and they either deal with it or don't see you end of!

I have pointed out to dp that I wouldn't think twice about calling the police if his cow of an ex walks into our house uninvited again!!

Xenadog · 20/04/2014 09:27

Bedraggled if you can't bear to have these people around too much it's very simple: don't!

As they are DH's parents he needs to deal with them and tell them in no uncertain terms how often you want to see them and in what context. It doesn't matter what their expectations are (cultural or otherwise) as they were told early on not to move close as it would not mean they get to see the GC too often.

If they don't want to stick to your boundaries then simply they don't get to visit.

For anyone who thinks this is selfish or rude well sorry I don't buy into that. You have one life to live and filling it with people who make you miserable is not really a good way to spend it, is it?

We have just had something very similar with DP's parents and he laid down the law to them with what we were prepared to put up with. They didn't like it, we had the old emotional blackmail and manipulation going on but basically we stuck to our guns and they see us when it's convenient for us all and not just for them. Really the ILs are NOT the important people here and that's just tough for them if they can't stick to the boundaries.

sandgrown · 20/04/2014 09:36

What planet are you on zzz??. I agree with Chocolate.

badidea · 20/04/2014 09:39

OP - I think YANBU. People should only come round the back of your house if you have given them permission - not as a matter of rote.

As for once a week - no way I'd have my nlaws round that much (esp if DH wasn't there - in fact I've never seen my inlaws without DH their - they're his parents, not mine!).

I think once a month is reasonable (we see my parents once a month, my inlaws once a month, which gives us 2 weekends a month for us to do family stuff just the four of us). Once a week is fine if you get on, but I'd be tearing my hear out if my inlaws tried that (as would DH to be honest!)

Ignore all the 'you should be grateful they're interested in your kids' brigade, generally they're just bitter because they never had gparents to babysit for them and are incredibly jealous that you have that option.

I think you need to sort this out - this is clearly giving you the rage and making you angry and stressed and that is no way to be if you have a newborn, you have enough to deal with. You come first here, not your interfering inlaws.

Grennie · 20/04/2014 09:48

I think spending the whole day with GPs once a month is a lot. But I thought it was fairly normal if GPs live close by, to see them more often, but for less time? For example, a quick joint visit to the park on a Saturday morning, or 45 minutes pop round with the GCs for a cup of tea. That way it doesn't take over your weekend.