... to wish that I could smoke indoors again?

[Rommell]

Yeah, I know, smokers stink, what about Roy Castle, you make my clothes smell, cancer sticks, idiot sticks etc. But there was something nice about having a pint and a fag, or a cup of tea and a fag, or watching telly with a fag, or punctuating the good bit of a book with a fag, or staying up all night writing an essay with a hundred fags. I miss it. Plus these days people seem to be offended by a fag even in the open air, or by vaping which as far as I can make out is similar in effect to standing next to a boiling kettle. Anybody else nostalgic for days gone by when tenants could do as they liked in their own living-rooms?

woo-hoo, I can play 'stupid anti-landlord whiner bingo' even on a completely unrelated thread! Extra points for 'property empires'.

get real.

meanwhile; smoke stinks and if you can't have a good time without a filthy dog-end constantly in your gob, you are a bit of a sad case. You could always go outside, although most smokers seem to find it too much effort to move away from the door.

they can make outside stink (Those of us who are not druggies have a sense of smell) but at least there's escape inside now.

smoking in bed is a frequent example of Darwin in action. Go ahead as long as no-one else is in the house.

sorry if anyone doesn't like facts, but that's real life for you.

I love the smoking ban. I remember sitting in a pub just after it came in, trying to work out what was different, and realising I could see all the way to the door instead of peering through a haze.

If I don't take my inhaler out with me, I don't have to worry now. I don't have to live with the stink that I hate permeating through my house jut because I had a night out and my clothes ended up stinking of it.

If someone wants to smoke, that's up to them. But if they smoke near me, that's effectively taking away my choice not to - I can't stop breathing, so I have no choice but to breathe in their smoke. You can get blind drunk and the person next to you still has the choice whether to remain sober, but if you're inside you can't smoke without the person next to you having to also breathe it in.

If you want to smoke, fine. But I love the fact that I can now choose not to have to do it passively!

Can I just point out that if you are vaping you are inhaling stuff that is unregulated and untested. There are no enforceable standards for e-cigs and, as Grassy said the risk of anything going wrong is low but you can't be certain that, in years to come, we won't find health risks from the chemicals in them.

I'd have smoking bars. And they could be lovely places (nonsmoker, hate the smell). Serve food, whatever. But they would be the only places to sell real cigarettes and smoking them wouldn't be legal anywhere else.

I miss it too.

I switched to ecigs in December and love that I don't smoke actual fags anymore, but I do miss the old days of sitting up all night smoking and drinking and chatting, smoking with a drink in a pub or smoking with a coffee and a good book in a cafe. I liked smoking, I did it for so long it was a big part of me and it was so damned sociable!

Sorry forgot to say that YANBU, I used to smoke and it was never as nice outside. If I hadn't already given up, I'd have had to when the law changed.

I think most vapers are aware of that, pisci.

For me, its an aid to giving up smoking cigarettes. I would never advise a non-smoker to take up vaping.

I guess the point is that we KNOW that smoking limits life and that passive smoking is a danger to health. I'd be extremely surprised if vaping turned out to be anything near as harmful to health as cigarettes, and certainly, it is very unlikely to have any 'passive smoking' effect at all, as itis literally just a vapour, not smoke.

To me, vaping is by far the lesser of two evils, as well the fact it is far cheaper, doesnt stink/turn your teeth yellow/age your skin.

YANBU. My mate lets people smoke in her flat. It's like Heaven on Earth.

Rommel, it's well worth taking the plunge.

I switched to ecigs in December and hadn't wavered, until I had a curious drag on a real cigarette last week when I was out. It was like starting all over again - my chest tightened up and I had a coughing fit, and it tasted like shit. I can honestly say I prefer vaping now and will not go back.

I was a 15-20 a day smoker for 23 years and switching to the ecigs was easy.

YABU, as a non smoker it's soooo much nicer now going out to the pub and not have to sit breathing in other people's smoke. I remember waking up after a night out and my hair stinking of smoke and it making me feel ill. There was one pub my friend liked where my eyes used to water from the amount of cigarette smoke in the air.

YANBU. I'm a vaper who misses The Old Days.

I have always thought it was a bad idea to ban smoking in pubs, clubs and restaurants - what I'd like is for such places to have to be either 'smoking' or 'non-smoking', and councils involved in licensing them so every area has a balance of smoking and non smoking establishments. If a pub or whatever is the only one within a certain radius, it would have to be non-smoking, but other than in fairly remote and sparsely populated areas, most people would have a choice.

Smokers would have their pubs/cafés/restaurants/clubs etc that smell of smoke, where they can enjoy a fag with their drink/cake/meal/music, and non-smokers like me would have places where I could enjoy all these things without cigarette smoke.

I was brought up by two smokers, and I hate the smell, and the way it makes me feel, but I can still see that there are ways to compromise so everyone is happy - or happier, at least.

I would just say that, unless you completely deny that there are any risks from second hand smoke, the other smells in a pub, whilst sometimes unpleasant, are unlikely to make someone ill - as someone else said, someone standing next to a smoker has no choice but to share their smoke, if they can't move somewhere else, but if I am standing next to someone who is boozing or eating junk food, that won't affect me, and I won't have to move to get away from it. As a non-smoker, I used to hate being in a restaurant that had smoking and non smoking sections, because no matter how good the air circulation was, I still ended up with the smell of cigarette smoke spoiling my meal - and it never seemed fair that I should have to move just so I could enjoy my meal without the fag smoke making me feel sick.

On holiday in Egypt last year I was reminded of how horrible it is to have people smoking indoors. It really is grim for non smokers.

As a kid my parents always chose a smoking table in restaurants so that they could smoke throughout dinner. Spoiled pretty much every meal out we had. Once we all grew up and were able to call the shots, with our own DCs in tow, my poor old DM was aghast when we would choose a non smoking table and she'd have to go to the bar or outside to smoke.

I'd hate to return to the old days, sorry smokers. It's a crappy habit that's unpleasant for the rest of us. Imagine if you had to eat in a sweaty men's changing room or a toilet. That's what it's like for us non smokers!

Rommell (and anyone else) - come over to our vaping thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2046568-Hundreds-of-vipers-vaping-in-our-fifth-thread?pg=9

On the first page there is a great intro to vaping & we are all happy to answer any questions you have about it.

This is why I vape.

Having a coffee in my kitchen and vaping and drank in the pub last night doing it too.

After two years I no longer want a proper fag, I much prefer vaping.

Yabu.

I'm vaping in bed right now..sherbet lemon..mmm yummy..

Yes and this is pretty much why I gave up.
I could no longer see the pleasure in having a fag stood outside my offuce huddled in alittle group under a tiny canopy in the pissing down rain and freezing cold.
The pleasure was all gone so it pushed me to give upwhich I suppose I should be grateful for.

I never smoke in my house, and I used to think I missed smoking in pubs but last year in Egypt you could smoke in pubs and it just wasn't right
So I smoked outside still

The way I see the smoking ban is a pure health and safety issue re workplaces. People work in pubs, and clubs etc. Bringing back smoking in workplaces would in effect force some people to choose to work in an unsafe environment. People need to work, and would have to choose whether to work in an unsafe place or not have money to pay the rent or mortgage.

We don't allow that in any other situation. Imagine having some factories with unsafe machinery and then saying, oh but people have the choice whether to take the risk and work there or not. It would be unthinkable.

Employers have a responsibility to provide a safe working environment, which includes not having a poisonous substance in the atmosphere.

OP YABU!

Agree Doris

It was only ever nice to have a fag outside whilst on holiday.

Does anyone else miss having wine and a joint a cuppa and a fag in the bath? My parents still smoke in the house, and it's heaven, but they replaced the bath with a walk in shower a couple of years ago and now one of life's great pleasures is denied to me.

Yabvu. For years, I had to put up with cigarette smoke in cinemas, trains, planes, pubs, homes, train stations etc etc. stinking of cigarettes and I can't stand them. Having to wash my hair and clothes after a night out and even having to open all the windows in my bedroom the morning after to get of the stink.

It's wonderful now, at least the stake beer smell doesn't follow me home and give me hangovers

We were in Crete last week (thank you Ryanair for not noticing school holiday dates when you set your fares...) and although it is illegal to smoke indoors there, the Greeks seem to pay as much attention to that law as the Spanish do to the ones about fishing quotas or the French to the ones about state subsidies for the motor industry. I found though that I didn't want to smoke inside the cafes and restaurants, and was much happier to go outside. Of course the fact that the weather was lovely did help!

And could the people who've come on this thread just to rant about smoking being disgusting go and rant somewhere else? We all know perfectly well we shouldn't do it. I find tattoos and piercings disgusting but I don't go onto threads on that subject and rant.