Question about gender change

[lougle]

If someone is making a transition to one gender from another, what does their sexuality relate to - their original gender, or their new one?

For instance, if a man is transitioning to become a woman, and is attracted to women, would that make them 'straight' or 'gay'?

If a woman is transitioning to become a man, and is attracted to women, would he then be 'straight' or 'gay'?

I'm likely to have to explain 'gender change' to my children, but it occurred to me that I really don't understand the 'gender' part of it at all.

I understand the physical processes and the medical timeline, etc. (ie. live as new gender for x period, medication, initial reassignment surgery, final reassignment surgery), but I don't understand how someone who has had gender reassignment would identify their sexuality.

I hope I haven't offended anyone - I may not have used the right terminology and may have been clumsy in the way I've asked the question.

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Tiggykbe I don't usually report posts. But I'm going to report yours as a childish attempt at getting the count up to close down debate.

There might be some other reason for it...

If you don't like it, say your piece or stay off

QueenStromba, that's the message I've got from here. All it does is push people into opposing camps, make things even worse.

So we really aren't allowed to talk about it at all Tiggy? We're supposed to just sleepwalk into a situation where born women have less rights than in the 50's so that men can wear a frock and call themselves Judy?

Close down debate?

It's venomous rants about people's core identity. This is one of the lowest points that Mumsnet has ever seen. One person has already been bullied off the site, and it's like this EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Or say your piece or keep your peace tiggykbe

This is a valuable discussion and if you childishly crash the 1,000 post mark I'll start another one.

So give up playing police man.

No Tiggy. One person unleashed a horrible torrent of misogynistic insults and death threats and got banned from the site. Very different - stop trying to rewrite history.

I'd also like an example of one of these venomous rants Tiggy. The only venomous rants I've seen have been from your side of the debate.

Tiggy, I don't think you understand what bullying is. If someone makes misogynistic, violent rants directed at other women, and has their MN membership revoked as a result, they haven't been "bullied" off the site. They chose to do that to themselves.

When lots of posters are talking vehemently and emotively about a subject to somebody who disagrees equally and emotively in the other direction, something is going to go wrong. And it goes wrong every single time this topic comes up. I remember when 4 threads were all deleted in a week. This topic just doesn't work.

If people want to trans they should go to a trans site. They will find lots of people willing to talk and nobody will get cornered into a flight or fight moment.

If you don't want to talk about it then don't come on the thread, don't try to tell us that we can't talk about it. For the most part the likes of Kim and beanella have repeatedly asked us what our personal views are and then got upset when we told them.

Once upon a time I worked for a line manager who was making life very difficult for us grunts.

We eventually manoeuvred her into a position where her very unreasonable attitude could not help but be confronted by management.

Then someone like you tiggykbe came along, sprinkling peace and love everywhere and fucked it up for us.

We eventually resolved it all over again. And bizarrely I am firm friends with that line manager nearly 30 years later because she understood that she was being a cunt. Though I didn't make her say that.

We also hate the peace, love and understanding person.

So if you don't mind, can you please desist with your patronising peace, love and understanding shit?

If you're going to tell somebody that the most important thing in their life, the thing that defines them, the thing they've been combating for years, isn't real and it's all in their head, you need to do it pretty damn sensitively.