Question about gender change

[lougle]

If someone is making a transition to one gender from another, what does their sexuality relate to - their original gender, or their new one?

For instance, if a man is transitioning to become a woman, and is attracted to women, would that make them 'straight' or 'gay'?

If a woman is transitioning to become a man, and is attracted to women, would he then be 'straight' or 'gay'?

I'm likely to have to explain 'gender change' to my children, but it occurred to me that I really don't understand the 'gender' part of it at all.

I understand the physical processes and the medical timeline, etc. (ie. live as new gender for x period, medication, initial reassignment surgery, final reassignment surgery), but I don't understand how someone who has had gender reassignment would identify their sexuality.

I hope I haven't offended anyone - I may not have used the right terminology and may have been clumsy in the way I've asked the question.

Firstly i'm sorry if i have personally offended you, kim. It was not my intention. However (! sorry) 'bloke' is a casual term to describe a man which i would use. I don't have experience of what terminology is or is not acceptable/offensive. With only this thread to go on I can only talk to you with my 'joe blogs' attitude. I will always be honest though, and open minded.

Sorry i didnt answer your question. Would i try and look if i suspected? No. If it was that hard to tell i'd doubt myself and not try and look.

Would i attack them? God no! I am the least confrontational person.

Would i feel uncomfortable, uneasy, and worried? Yes.

Well then i've learned something. But to be fair i wouldn't knowingly call it to you face to face.

PosyFossilsShoes
The only reason I'm talking about this is because I defintely got the impression that we were told by some posters that we were being silly if we didn't want to share changing rooms with people who have penises (no surgery)

Did I get that wrong?

kim147, I don't think it's correct either but you called that kind of person a man before which did surprise me.

What is that supposed to mean?
Well you say you hate your body, it's not something you want to show off right? Didn't you personally avoid the women's changing room? I don't get why a genuine trans woman would be ok with showing off their male pre-surgery body in a changing room full of strangers.

I didn't mean to twist your words, Kim. I'm genuinelly confused by all this.

Fluffy, does that mean that you'd be uncomfortable around anybody who is gender-non-conforming, e.g. a woman who was a bit on the Brienne of Tarth side of things? I would feel uncomfortable knowing that another woman was giving me the hairy eyeball on suspicion of being a man, IYSWIM.

Briar I think everyone is in agreement that none of us, cis or trans, want to see penises in changing rooms. I don't think anybody has said that is silly. I think some people, myself included, feel that the evidence points away from trans women being responsible for any penis-waving in changing rooms, as that threat tends to come from cis men.

I'm confused by this thread and people's opinions and what is correct and not.

I raised the 'penis waving' in the changing room in the first place ... except i didn't. I described as a skimpy bikini hiding nothing. The bikini sagged and didn't fit anywhere. I did not describe penis waving.

I'm a bit annoyed that this is described melodramatically and as it rarely happens if ever. It happened about 3 weeks ago for me. My 11 yr old was bog eyed and shocked. I have no idea if these were trans women or men being arses. The thing that struck me was that everyone looked shocked but averted their eyes rapidly and no one said anything. Did I feel frightened? No. Alarmed? Yes.

That was to posy not kim

posy no, not uncomfortable at all. I find non-conformation fascinating. Admirable.

Thinking hard hard to explain about my personal problem with the changing room/shower room thing ... maybe it's to do with me? I am quite conscious of my figure. (big boobs) I would feel uncomfortable in a unisex changing room. Therefore it would definately be on my radar if i thought i was naked near a male stranger. It would lead to a panicy feeling.

I would have that it's pretty obvious that one way to offend a transwoman is to call them a bloke.

It is. And i wouldn't to your face. If i could tell you were tans.

I used the word in my post to illustrate my thought processes under the circs we are discussing.

FrontForward it wasn't you who said penises were waved, it was QueenStromba who said trans women like to "show off their erection in the women's dressing room" and then shout transphobia when someone objects. In fact (quick check of thread) she said it twice.

You described someone dropping a bollock out of a skimpy all-on-display bikini in a pool with communal changing rooms. And that sounds horrible and inappropriate - and very different to someone deliberately assaulting you or showing off their penis at you in a women only changing room, which is what I said rarely happens.

I don't know what the solution would be to a person inappropriately dressed in a pool - whether that's a man with too-tight speedos or a woman with a boob hanging out or a trans woman with visible nuts and bolts in a bikini bottom - but I would expect the pool staff to have a word.

it would be easy to get the impression that no British swimming pool is complete without an erect penis being brandished by a nefarious pseudo-transsexual in the ladies' area

Ha Ha. This comment made me laugh!

Why do people NOT get it??? IT IS NO ONES FUCKING BUSINESS WHAT ANYONE ELSE HAS IN THEIR UNDERPANTS/KNICKERS ETC.

The only time it is someones business is when it's being brandished in their face or when you are fucking them.

A Transwomen, pre or post op is entitled to use a bloody female changing room just like any other WOMAN if she abides by the rules and behaves appropriately. Just like anyone else. A pre operative Transsexual Women is not a BLOKE.

Honestly, what the fuck is it about the general joe public that automatically thhinks they have a right to discuss the genitalia of another person just because they are Trans. It's fucking boring and you sound like a badly informed school child quite frankly.

I don't want to be insulted for caring if someone has a penis or not when I (and other women/girls) are sharing an intimate space where everyone is more or less nude

That's not ok.