Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

What 'lifestyle' do you think that is exactly Marylou?
Also, who do you think will pay for workfare?

I love that being fucking poor has now been re-phrased as a 'lifestyle' by the media.

"Lifestyle"?

Ah. The fictional drink, luxury, holidays, cigarettes and fancy TVs? Emphasis on fictional.

Don't forget the goat.

Sickening.

If you work, then you must receive NMW or better.

How can women on this thread possibly support other women being forced to work but not receiving the minimum wage to which they are legally entitled? In fact, 16 hours a week on NMW would still mean she'd receive tax credits that are about the same as IS or JSA. Except if she's lazy/feckless/stupid enough (because there can't be any other reasons she hasn't got a job) to be unemployed at a time when unemployment is the highest it's been since the last time Tories held power, then she deserves to be made to do work that would often be given to people on community service, who had committed a crime, doesn't she? Because it's worse to be poor and/or unemployed than it is to be a criminal, isn't it? (looking at Jeremy Hunt, Baroness Warsi, Esther McVey, IDS etc who all have extremely shady dealings in the past. In fact, I don't know how Hunt's escaped criminal charges).

Agree with comments above re mysogony as well. Sometimes, I am disgusted by the hatred society seems to have for women; it's almost ingrained to the way we live our lives.

Thankfully, the Tories weren't actually voted in last time - o they really stand a chance this time?

badbalding

I would love to boycott them and have certainly cut down what I buy from them, seriously watching competitors prices, but I can't afford to do big shop in many other places. I am named on ds staff card and get 10% off bill. Xmas shop is 20%.

Fideline
redundancies announced end of last week and workfare started yesterday.

Lifestyle?

Do you want the recipes I have for lentils, or the many uses of household vinegar I've found. We don't have a telly I'm afraid, but I do know how to brew a nice elderberry tipple. (book ref = booze for free. Brilliant!!!!). .

We've already experienced one round of civil unrest under this government and don't have to look far to other parts of Europe to see violence and riots. Gerald Celente has a brilliant quote "when people have nothing left to lose, they lose it!"

I don't want people to lose it, not when collectively we have the skills and talents to turn this nation around, and pull it back from the brink. We all witnessed the inter - generational societal damage caused by the demise of our heavy industries. This time round white collar workers are no longer immune. Yet instead of following the Icelandic example we choose to be divisive and spiteful instead.

The punitive subjection of all the easy targets such as lone parents, the disabled etc will soon be complete. The white collar workers will be up next. Already many STEM roles are performed in India, with more being outsourced each year. There will be no winners in the current race to the bottom, bar a subsection of the 1%. Welfare payments to the banksters & big corporates such as Amazon and Tesco though are sacrosanct and increasing year on year.

oh as a single mum, I should think two goats is the norm, isn't it?!

It is depressing to read this thread. The ignorance is astounding, truly and utterly astounding. I could weep. I am a single parent who works full time in a professional role but there was a short time there when I was reliant on benefits because my ex walked out leaving me with nothing at all. It was an awful mess and way, way too many SAHM's haven't a clue just how their lives could implode at any second and what that would mean for them.

I believe single parents should work. I don't believe single parents should work for nothing or be worse off in work than on benefits (and if I earned minimum wage, I would have more money coming in on paper but would be worse off with loss of benefits as a result of the wage and therefore increased outgoings). I also believe that some people need, quite desperately, to examine their own prejudices and start to recognise that it's not acceptable to make assumptions about people based on what the Daily Mail says they know about women like me: I had the misfortune to marry someone who cheated on me. I didn't deserve that. I didn't do anything wrong, it just happened. I worked at my marriage as hard as anyone else but it just didn't work out. I am not young, I have never sat through a full episode of Jezza, I have a Masters degree and professional qualifications. I own my own home and drive a car that's been paid for. My TV isn't flat. My children are not now 'stupid' because their mum is single. They're not 'at risk' because I am single and I can care for them perfectly well. And I don't take kindly to the 'oh, we didn't mean you, you're not the kind of single mum we mean, it's the other type' comments that have been made here. That's just 'victim blaming' by the back door. You slag off single mums, as far as I'm concerned, you're slagging us all off.

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

Can't you workshy single parents leave the goat to babysit while you mop the floors of Poundland?!

Exactly Candy and leave the flatscreen TV in charge of the lifestyle goats.

What could go wrong?

Don't start telling them about the free goats. They'll take those away too, along with our human rights.

Potatoes consider joining the group boycott workfare . They've had a lot of success convincing many major busnisses to stop using workfare . Also feel free to email Asda head office and tell them what you think about their free labour . They will of course deny any knowledge , but if enough people do it and threaten to boycott them they make take notice .

Just don't leave your fags lying around and don't let the kid/s (geddit?!) watch too much Jezza Kyle.

It's emotional abuse to leave the goat in charge - an old English Shepherd dog such as demonstrated by the wonderful Nanny in Peter Pan is infinitely superior. .

BTW Asda has shot itself in the foot as that's now 30 ex-employees who cannot afford to shop there. Classic example of the current system eating itself to the detriment of the whole of society.

Policies like these taken collectively are going to lead to the bad old days when abusive men were never called on their behavior and their wives and children endured appalling lives as a result behind closed doors. You have to take it into the context of :-

*a failed child support agency (that now charges destitute resident parents),
*the accelerated closure of women's refuges and associated support services,
*the closure of so many children's centres,
*the forbidding of unqualified, non-related adults to provide childcare for more than 2 hours a day. You think it doesn't occur to lone parents to try and jobshare and split the childcare too? This is why it rarely happens.

• a growing population of elders who also need care. This is the sandwich generation of women, getting squeezed at both ends! *the recent changes to divorce laws, meaning alimony just got a whole lot harder to obtain after a split
• a deteriorating NHS and state school system. Leaving many waiting longer for diagnosis/treatment and/or without a school place. *Increased demands for anti-social hours and shift work from employers.
• increasing punitive action taken by SS towards victims of DV and or poverty.
• The CSA's utter ineffectiveness and the lack of political will to sort it
• Charges introduced for the resident parent in order to use the CSA.
• the rising cost of childcare.
• bedroom tax & lack of social housing.

The list goes on, but hopefully just the above will help show those who refuse to "get it" just what a perfect storm of misery is being created for so many of the nation's children at the moment.

badbalding

I will do that, thanks for the info. As for Asda well, they have it covered don't they? They are billions in front, it makes you sick.
I may have to spend more elsewhere on shopping.
We have a Morrisons at the end of our street and dh says he likes this better.

Moral and practical issues aside, how on earth are councils going to afford to pick up the tab for this childcare, particularly out of term time

I think 'Nanna' was a St Bernard Boc. An Old English Sheepdog would have been more interested in redecorating than childcare.

Absolutely agree with bocs analysis.

It does make you wonder how many of those policy changes are ever likely to be reversed under ANY g'ovt.

I hate the Tories and have never voted for them But going by comments made by Labour MPs they have no intention of reversing these workfare policies.

And if you believe that workfare "volunteers" in hospitals will not be doing some of the caring for patients you are being very naive.

I am a volunteer at my local hospital in a specific role which I spent weeks training for as it is something which I feel passionate about. We do not do any caring for the patients even though they are the reason we are there. I have attended the induction training where it was made quite clear that no body would be caring for patients unless they had expressed a desire to.feed patients. There was a real mixture of people there who were going to take on various different roles.

Please do not tell me I am naive when this is what I am experiencing, I am sure that some volunteers do care for patients but I'll bet it is because they have decided to do it not because they are being made to.

I apologize if i came across as patronizing.

But it has already been tried.

righttowork.org.uk/2012/05/protestors-gather-at-sandwell-hospital-against-workfare/

Disgusted with what your local Asda has done morethan.

This just stinks. I hope these bastards get voted out at the next election.

Derek its fucking ludicrous.