To be driven mad by how many people are utterly convinced by homeopathy?

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I am just completely baffled by how many educated, clued up people I know, including family members and many close friends, that do not question homeopathy in any way. It is complete nonsense that bases its "science" on the memory of water?? You might as well wave your magic wand and say Hocus Pocus. Of course the placebo effect can be a cure in itself but not for children?? Even my brilliant pediatrician tries to give me homeopathy (probably bc she thinks it will calm me down rather than my children!!)
There is a mum at school whose son has horrendous allergies and asthma. She has taken him off all his inhalers as she wants to "cleanse his system" and only gives him homeopathy. Arrrgh. I see the little boy in tears every day in the spring as he can´t sleep and is exhausted due to his breathing.
My MIL insisted on giving their old dog who was in agony and riddled with cancer homeopathy instead of conventional medicine and god, did it suffer, why why??
Don´t know why but it drives me mad…such an irresponsible industry that suckers vulnerable people in and leads some to give homeopathy instead of conventional meds in dangerous situations.

Punkrockergirl
Lots have us have watched pals die from cancer despite adhering to the normal route .
There is absolutely no way of knowing if the patients you refer to would have survived with mainstream medicine . Perhaps their passing may have been less peaceful and more invasive .

Mistletoe as a treatment for cancer
Has no proved benefit, and can cause harm

BMJ

Just in case anyone wondered.

If it does no harm, and works for people (placebo or not) who are we to judge.

Spreading false information about health care does do harm.

Of course we can't know what their outcome would have been. What I'm getting at is that they should not have been sold this stuff and been given hope that it would cure them. Incidentally the last lady I nursed who died having gone down the CT route was an early stage breast cancer patient whose prognosis was extremely good. She died racked with guilt at not having given conventional medicine a chance so she could watch her children grow up. She was 31.

Spreading false information about health care does do harm

Of course I'm talking about if people chose to make an informed choice, with all the facts present :)

"Of course I'm talking about if people chose to make an informed choice, with all the facts present "

If they did that then there's no way they would choose homeopathy. QED.

You'd be surprised at how 1. desperate people can get or 2. how daft people can be

Still no homeopaths on this ? Interesting !
Or am I missing their posts .

"You'd be surprised at how 1. desperate people can get or 2. how daft people can be"

No I wouldn't. But you said homeopathy is Ok if people make an informed choice with all the facts present. Under those circumstances they couldn't choose homeopathy.

CFG, rescue remedy is between 25 and 50% brandy depending on the particular product. How much brandy do you have to give a dog to make it more relaxed? I don't know! Brandy is most certainly an active ingredient though.

The difference between homeopathy and flower remedies is that homeopathy gets people ingesting substances homeopaths call opium, arsenic and arnica. Flower remedies get people to ingest substances that the flower 'specialists' called apple, wild oat and cherry plum. Confusion over the former seems a health concern. Confusion over the latter is no more worrying than the contents of shampoo fragrances.

Perhaps their passing may have been less peaceful and more invasive
No, their passing was peaceful and symptom free due to heavy duty conventional drugs.

Denying a sick child their inhaler is an extreme example and I don't think many people would agree with that, but so what if people want to try alternative treatments?

I went for kinesiology and muscle resistance allergy testing yesterday and have been prescribed homeopathic remedies to rectify an energetic imprint left by vaccines.

That must sound like mumbo jumbo to the OP, but I really don't care what other people think. It's my body, my money and I'm entitled to believe whatever I like. I wouldn't force my children to have it in place of proper treatment for a chronic and potentially life threatening illness. That would be madness!

I think there is harm when vulnerable people are not given the full facts. It is disingenuous to say there are vulnerable people everywhere you look. I was truly VERY vulnerable. People who are mentally and/or physically ill often are, it is rather ignorant to ignore people's real experiences. I'll give a personal example.

I have a history of severe mental illness. I am fortunate enough to be very well now. At my lowest, a family friend suggested I see a homeopath. Background - I had already made a serious attempt on my own life; nearly died, ended up in ICU, spent months on a psych ward, just at my wits end really. I went and got told that homeopathic remedies had a much better success rate than conventional psychotropic medication. She suggested that I slowly wean off my anti-depressant, anti-psychotic and mood stabiliser - despite being told by my psychiatrist to NOT do this while my mood was so volatile. When I saw my psychiatrist I got told things like; there may be side effects, the medication may not work at all. When I saw the homeopath I got told things like; we have a very good success rate, there are no side effects. So which one was I going to choose? I could barely dress myself, how could I make an informed decision about medical treatment? I was not told the facts about homeopathy, so I could not give consent.

PaulSmenis
You do realise the person you handed money over to was just making up words as they went along, right?
There is no such thing as an 'energetic imprint left by vaccines' any more than there is an energetic imprint left by ghosts
In fact, if you said you had been prescribed an exorcism, it would probably make more sense to half the woo believers on here, because at least there are several hundred documented cases of actors being cured by exorcisms, compared to just 2 studies potentially showing a benefit from homeopathy

You're entitled to your opinion sparechange.

I'm not stupid and have a university education and I believe in all this wooo stuff. Nobody can say anything that will sway me!

"I went for kinesiology and muscle resistance allergy testing yesterday and have been prescribed homeopathic remedies to rectify an energetic imprint left by vaccines."
You do realise that sentence is completely meaningless, don't you?

Of course people are entitled to their own opinions. They are just not entitled to their own facts.

Clearly, university education doesn't mean one is capable of rational thought.

That would be when you are able to change your convictions if they are disproven.

It isn't an opinion.
It is cold, hard fact.
Homeopathy doesn't work, it has been proven not to work.
You have been sucked in by scammers, however well meaning, who have just made up a pretend thing and taken your money.
Those people who fall for the Nigerian lottery scams are often educated and outwardly sensible.
Doesn't stop them being gullible fools though

"Nobody can say anything that will sway me!"
So if I linked to all the properly conducted, double blind tests that have without exception showed that homeopathy does not perform better than placebo ever, what would you say?

Not stupid, just close-minded and irrational then.

I don't understand why people get so funny and opinionated about things like homeopathy. Nobody is forcing them to try it, but they are ready to jump on those who do.

Why not try alternative therapies for minor ailments? I know loads of perfectly normal people who are happy to use alternative treatments.

Using it in place of an inhaler where your child's concerned is just stupid and irresponsible. I can't believe a parent or practitioner would do something like that. Also, couldn't there potentially be legal consequences?

Paul- could you answer my point about all the tests showing that homeopathy doesn't work, please?

I haven't seen these tests, so not really Martorana.

I could link to a list of peer reviewed properly conducted studies published in reputable medical journals- all of which have shown homeopathy to work no better than placebo. Are you saying that they are all wrong?

And could you explain "energetic imprint left by vaccines"?