To think it is time to secularise all state-funded education?

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Just that really.

I am not saying secular schooling is bad, I have been schooled this way and so have my siblings and currently my child. However people are entitled to a choice in schooling whether it is secular, faith, or private.These different types of education have co-existed for years without any problems, however because of militant Atheists this is now an issue when it should not be.

I think most people on this thread aren't militant atheists at all, hakuna - merely people who are opposed to a selection system that doesn't provide equal access to schools because selection by the back door is built in. No-one on here objects to faith schools which are not funded by the taxpayer.

Saying that these types of education have co-existed without any problems tells me you are very, very naive - sectarianism has been built into the education system in NI and Scotland and has been hugely damaging to community cohesion.

hakuna are you in the UK?

haku if you went to state school in England (see previous note re Wales, Scotland and Ireland) then you have not been through a secular system.

hakuna If you went to school in the UK you did not have a secular education because all schools have to have worship of a broadly Christian nature. This has been stated about 50 times in this thread, have you read the thread?

The current system is inherently unfair, this is explained in great detail and with many descriptive analogies in this thread, which leads me to believe you haven't read the thread or you are being deliberately obtuse.

It is nothing to do with, so called militant atheisms but has been exacerbated by increasing pressure on school places in many areas.

militant atheists

hakunamatata8, you are right it's about choice. The Christians chose that every school in the UK would be religious and the rest of us can choose to put up with it or fuck off.

And now it seems you don't approve of us even admitting that we are unhappy about it.

The non-secular state education system hasn't turned us all into indoctrinated automata any more than it will turn our children into creationists.

Christians often claim that it has no effect on a child right after they say their child must go to a school that forces them to worship or they will be harmed by the lack of it.

No Christian has ever been able or willing to explain the contradiction.

Also atheists parents when faced with a child who says "But teacher said god/allah is real and we must do what he says" must say "well some people believe that, but I don't".

When the child says "but teacher said so" we are forced to say "Well teachers lie to children".

That's hardly ideal since you need them to trust the teacher in everything else.

Right. If it's all about choice, then I choose to send my children to a school where faith is not an admissions criterion, and where teachers will not at any time ask them to pray, and where teachers will be expressly prohibited from teaching Christianity, or any other religion as fact.

How can I organize that, please?

If all schools were secular I think you would have to get rid of the nativities. And carol concerts, and Mother's Day cards. And Harvest. And Remembrance Services.

It would save loads of hassle for teachers.

Loads of things to celebrate! Don't have to be Christian things.

Remembrance doesn't need god. Neither does Mother's Day. Traditions are good.

Kim

So Christianity is ok for the traditional festivals, but not ok for your dc to attend the school?
How do you explain the nativity then/ the birth of Santa?

Every culture has its stories. My son played Zeus in a school play once!

Kim

Speaking personally I would never tell anybody that other religions have it wrong and they are liars. I don't need to ram my religious views down other peoples throats.
I wouldn't tell a child of mine that any part of religious study or part of the bible was not true, because belief or lack of belief is personal.

What will you do if your child becomes a Christian, alienate yourself ant tell them they are wrong, because you don't agree.