To think it is time to secularise all state-funded education?

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Just that really.

I completely agree!

If you want your children to have religious values, it is your job to teach them that. Isn't that what you go to church (or wherever) for?

School is not the place for religion. The will learn strong values that apply to the whole of society, not just little sections of it.

Religion has no place in school.

I completely agree with the points you've made kim147. Shame people seem to dodge the questions that may cause them difficulty.

Why should religion be intertwined with education?

I do think that some people mistake having an opinion for militancy.

Fleta If it means that faith schools are privately funded I think that is a good compromise. Theres nothing wrong with having an opinion, but only if others are allowed to have them as well. I am opposed to some of the views on this thread and I also have a right to that view point. Ganging up on me, will not change my mind and just shows a school age mentality.

YABU

I liked having the choice and chose CofE, others chose community.
If it doesn't suit you make a different choice.
I understand that some people don't feel like they have a choice but that doesn't mean that many different types of school shouldn't exist.
I'm sure if academies or any other type of school was deemed to be better and people couldn't get in, they'd call for these to be closed too.

Coruskate Look at your posts, you have made generalised and discriminatory comments about all people of faith as if this is somehow factual as truth. So yes you have proved my point for me but also made yourself look bigoted at the same time. Anyway im off to make my dinner ladies enjoy the conversation.

morethanpotatoprints totally agree with you, people are entitled to choice.

But hakuna- nobody is suggesting that there shouldn't be privately funded faith schools.

People are entitled to choice- unless that choice happens to be a state funded education without religious observance......

Kim

I'd choose the one my dc were best suited to.
We moved to an area mid term and it was a full school year. One of my dc gained a place at the local community school there wasn't a place for ds2.
This was many years ago so not sure what it is like now, but ds2 was eventually offered a place at a Catholic school. We aren't catholic but had that choice or ds2 stay at home. Looking back now I wish we had H.ed but that's another thread.
He stayed there until a place was available at the community school, next door.
We completely embraced the school life, the worship, mass etc. Although we didn't attend church.
I didn't call for the removal of faith schools because my ds had no choice.
Of course we all want choices and I fully believe we should all have the school we wish.

If the academy only admitted people with a certain income and it was above ours, I'd get over it, and be happy for those going there making space in a more suitable school for my dc.
How entitled to suggest one would be upset

Our more recent choice in our dd education is removal from school to H.ed because we have choice.

"I'm sure if academies or any other type of school was deemed to be better and people couldn't get in, they'd call for these to be closed too"
If they had fair and open admissions policies why would they?

morethanpotatoprints

I have no issue with there being faith education for those that wish it but IMO it should be funded by the relevant organisation / privately.

I take issue with the ONLY state education being available in an area being faith schools. That isn't actually choice is it?

8Martorana*

Because those who complain about faith schools are doing so because they can not get in. If they could they wouldn't complain.
We managed to get into 2 faith schools that were under subscribed, they only become particular when they are over subscribed.
Most I have come across have been voluntary aided and they were far more expensive to attend than the community school.

Fleta

I agree, and sympathise as I have been in that position, but to me the answer isn't to close faith schools but have more community schools.

Just to add we would have got a place at the faith school, just chose not to.

I don't think we should close faith schools - but make them faith/privately funded

"Because those who complain about faith schools are doing so because they can not get in. If they could they wouldn't complain."

What on earth leads you to that bizarre conclusion???

Every single poster on this thread who has gone through the English state education system (I can't comment on others because I don't have enough experience) has been educated in non-secular schools.

The non-secular state education system hasn't turned us all into indoctrinated automata any more than it will turn our children into creationists.

In general, non-secular schooling is not that bad.

"Because those who complain about faith schools are doing so because they can not get in. If they could they wouldn't complain."

We couldn't move to various villages in our area because the only primary in those villages was CofE. Is that really the action of someone who is only complaining because we couldn't get a place at a faith school?

We are lucky that we could choose where to live, but others aren't so lucky. So if the only house you are offered by the council is in a village with only a faith school, what practical choice do you have?

These are rural issues. Urban issues exist, but are different.

morethan I think you are misrepresenting many people on this thread when you say those who complain about faith schools are doing so because they can not get in.

People on here have said that in many places they have no choice but a faith school - which they don't want. Others have said that their children cannot attend their local school because it is a faith school which selectively discriminates by religion - how does that kind of segregation benefit a local community? Others still have said that they object to their taxes going to fund schools that their own children will not be allowed to attend on the grounds of faith. It isn't the 'can't get in' argument that prevails here, it's the argument against discrimination.