to think people are being deliberately perverse about Council/HA..

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....housing?

1. Social (council or HA) rents are not subsidized.

2)Social (council or HA) tenancies are not a form of welfare benefit.

It's not that hard to grasp is it?

"That's what is so weird."

"People whinge about paying HB out of their taxes but in the next breath they want people who pay rent.. shoved out into private rents (because they can afford it and why should they get free rents) then they want the houses filled with the poor and the needy so they can pay for more HB."

This^ This this this. It's so obvious isn't it gamer?

Please don't call me sweetie :)

It's obviously an issue of semantics and personal opinion.

Everyone seems to agree that council houses are low rent whilst private aren't. Seems accurate.
So - the majority of working council house tenants will likely be covering the whole rent (even low income households) whilst private tenants on low incomes will be receiving housing benefit top ups as their rent will be significantly higher.
So who is being subsidised?

The BTL Landlords hopping

Exactly!

Nursey it is not semantics.

OP, YABVU, per the government's own figures
www1.tauntondeane.gov.uk/tdbcsites/tdbcagendas/RtnPDF.aspx?ImgName=Item%208.PDF&PMI=20121467

"Figures suggest that on average across England the economic subsidy provided by sub-market rents on social housing is worth an estimated £3,600 per annum. These subsidies are significant and the Government is concerned that they are unfair when provided to those on high incomes, both to taxpayers and to those in housing need on waiting lists. Social housing should go to those who genuinely need and deserve it the most. "

whilst private tenants on low incomes will be receiving housing benefit top ups as their rent will be significantly higher

Considering the majority of the private land lords round here won't accept HB....

Aga that document is politicised nonsense.

Why, because you don't agree with it?

How can a matter which hinges on the definition of the word 'subsidy' be said to be a question of 'personal opinion'? Something is either subsidised or it is not. And council tenancies are not subsidised.

Which is an even bigger problem Nursey. Where are people supposed to live?

Care assistants, cleaners, retail staff are all in essential jobs. Many will need HB to rent privately. If you can't rent privately, can't buy, and can't get a social tenancy, where do you live?

If HA/council housing isn't subsidised , how come those with no recourse to public funds aren't eligible for tenancies?
You can bang on about it as much as you like, HA and Council property rents are considered to be subsidised.

This is why I started a thread asking questions. I had no understanding go HA as, although some found it hard to understand, I have got to the age of 38 without any knowledge of social housing.
I wanted to get the facts so I could correct people who say that council houses are free.

Of course it's a bigger problem. Which will only get worse because of universal credit - tenants being responsible for paying their own rent instead of the HB going straight to the landlord. Landlords don't trust it, so boom goes the HB applicants.

It's a fine mess we're landing ourselves in. If I weren't with my partner I'd be in the same sorry boat.

Saying that I'm technically still classed as 'homeless' on the HB register thingy and still haven't been offered anywhere.. 5 years later.

^Considering the majority of the private land lords round here won't accept HB....^

What does that have to do with anything? Private landlords raked in £9 billion (yes, BILLION) in public money through LHA in 2012 alone. I do not have the figures for 2013 but they are likely to be higher due to rising rents and downward pressure on wages.

Rommell I think you'll find it was relevant to the post I quoted.

Now that (£9 billion a year and rising) is what you call a subsidy.

No Aga not because I don't agree with it. Because it was written by the housing committee (made up of politicians) of a Conservative/ Lib Dem controlled Local Authority and it is using the word 'subsidy' in a way not compatible with the dictionary definition.

Your perception of 'what happens round your way' is irrelevant when private landlords are indeed being subsidised through the public purse. .

YNBU. Not long read on my Twitter TL about Crow having lived 'off taxpayers' because he lived in a Council House...eh?! I can count on both hands the amount of friends who both work and pay their rent so don't exactly get their 'house for free'.

"considered to be subsidized" Calculators?

As distinct from being 'actually' subsidized then?

I could decide to 'consider' you an idiot'. It wou;dn't necessarily make you one.

The fact that people are raising this re Bob Crow today would be unspeakably tacky even if they were right Missp But, as you say, they are wrong.

Considered by the Housing Associations and Councils who actually do the letting of their properties to indeed be subsidised housing, yes.
You are clearly just here spoiling for a fight. look at me, I'm right, couldn't possibly be wrong, oh no

Calculators the word subsidy has an actual meaning. "Considered subsidized" is woolier. You still haven't substantiated your point.

Who (specifically) considers the rents subsidized?