To think that ALL smoking (cigarettes and e-cigs) should be banned in public places?!

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I've been sat in my GP waiting room with my little girl waiting for my appt and in walks a lady puffing away on an e-cig. She hasn't put it away and is just sat smoking it.

AIBU to think this is rude and that, just because it's not an actual cigarette, the same rules should apply, mainly because it's stinking the whole waiting room out!?!

Cigarettesandsmirnoff so.... do you have a proposal?

Yes, pretty sure, thanks. They'll run those ads while they can but have no reason to fear regulation at all. It will entirely wipe out the competition because only big tobacco have the funds to comply with what is proposed. When their shitty overpriced cig-alikes fail to keep people off fags well, heyho, they'll just go back to fags again, also supplied by them. Win-win!

Jesus you could be smoking bleach and not know it!

Not a hysterical just a realist.

Right, I'm going to type this next bit slowly ... ecigs are regulated. Just like any other consumer product for sale in the EU, they have to comply with loads of regulations already. As it happens, I agree that some additional, proportionate regulation, specific to ecigs, would be a good idea. If you go here and scroll down to point 8, there are some good suggestions for regulation which would make ecigs even safer without destroying the industry and driving millions of vapers back onto fags.

If it's so healthy and so acceptable, why am I seeing an increase in signs telling people NOT to use E-cigs?

I don't give toss if you think it's healthy or not, it's just that you are looking like you are smoking to others including children and are not only giving the impression that smoking is normal but that the rules of smoking in enclosed spaces doesn't apply to you.

That is the biggest issue I have with them (and everyone I've seen smoking or vaping just looks like aother pillock jumping on the bandwagon)

We cannot regulate against the unknown just in case there might be something we haven't discovered yet, otherwise virtually all the current medicines used to save lives would never have been approved for use. What we can do is try to encourage people to make a change that is likely to be better for them in the long run though only 99.9% likely, but is definitely not worse. The more you shout that there may be a possibility of harm, the more chance none of us will have that option going forwards.

YY allergic, it's what Matt Ridley was talking about, 'a counterproductive application of the precautionary principle'.

I'm an electronic cigarette user and its been great for me however I would be a bit at someone vaping in a surgery. I think there's a time and a place for it and a drs waiting room isn't it.

Smiles the reason why the laws on smoking in enclosed spaces don't apply to vaping is because e-cigarettes do not create smoke just a small amount of vapour, hence why it's called vaping. The reason laws were passed to prevent smoking in enclosed public spaces was to prevent passive smoking, the inhalation of combustion products caused by smoking. As there is no combustion taking place, people cannot inhale any combustion products.

The increase in signs asking people to not vape are brought on by other customers objecting to vaping on the grounds of it looking like smoking, or because they believe non-factual gossip about what e-cigs emit. Or because they feel that people should be made to suffer because they have a nicotine addiction. There are no legal reasons for these signs and no scientific reasons, purely prejudice.

If it's so healthy and so acceptable, why am I seeing an increase in signs telling people NOT to use E-cigs?

Probably because lots of people like to control what other people do for no very good reason. Occasionally someone will write to a company and ask why they have banned it. The answer is usually your objection, that it 'looks like smoking'. The fact that it doesn't generally look anything like smoking has already been covered over the first few pages of the thread.

I don't really care about looking like a pillock. Having fully functioning lungs and not having to go round smelling really bad and apologising for breathing is compensation enough for me

Or you could just quit.

Fucking hell you're a genius! If only I'd thought of that before

There is no reason to "ban" ecigs beyond a bloody-minded intrusive controlling nature.

If something does not harm you or anyone else but the individual or ruin the peace and happiness of other people, you have no reason to demand its ban.

Personally, I think a lot of people have perfume that stinks horribly like a cloud of noxious, cloying chemicals. Would it be reasonable of me to suggest it be banned, or should we all just exercise a normal level of tolerance?

I see absolutely no reason why people shouldn't use an e-cig indoors, and I'd far rather they vaped indoors than smoked outside.

And I'm a lifelong non-smoker.

Smilesandpiles They have quit cigarettes, those cancerous objects that harm you and "others around you". They may, or may not, be planning to quit nicotine altogether, but that is unimportant.

You should patent that smiles. You could even apply it to other things like junk food, alcohol, drugs and coffee - you'll be minted in no time.

plenty you can type as slow as you like, although I'm not sure what your trying to insinuate ? I'm not sure I like your tone....

Although I would rather the tobacco company's realised that smoking is becoming so anti social the next step was to introduce another way of keeping people hooked to a 'cleaner' way of smoking. I think you massively under estimate the tobacco company's.

I love my e-cig
But I'm not stupid enough to believe that they are risk free BUT it seems they are in your world of fairies ,purple unicorns and flying pigs

I'm out of this thread.

We're not saying they're entirely risk free - we're saying that they're 1000 times safer than the only alternative for a lot of smokers which is smoke until it kills you. I've given up smoking so many times using lozenges but I always ended back on the cigs, even after my granny died of lung cancer. This is the first time I've given up smoking that I've not missed it. I can categorically say that as long as vaping is an option I'll be a non-smoker.

Though Cigarettes won't see this if she/he is "out of this thread", I doubt very much we have underestimated the tobacco companies. It has become pretty obvious that the latest round of legislation is designed to allow the tobacco companies to control the vaping market, in ways that will be discouraging to people trying to use vaping to quit smoking.

Who's saying they are risk free? You must have missed that entire paragraph I wrote about regulations. Maybe I should have typed it even slower

We cannot regulate against the unknown just in case there might be something we haven't discovered yet

^^ This

As many have said, all too much of this is about a disturbing need to control / punish. Quite worrying, really ...

Those signs are the exact equivalent of signs telling you not to wear blue shoes, eat sweets or wear anti-perspirant.

They are mental obtrusive control-freakery, and the only British thing to do in the face of such things is to defy them and tell people where to stick it.

"giving the impression that smoking is normal but that the rules of smoking in enclosed spaces doesn't apply to you"

Because they don't apply to people using ecigs

There is no reason to "ban" ecigs beyond a bloody-minded intrusive controlling nature

/\ This.

OP YABU.

I find all this pearl clutching over vaping/e cigs/shisha pens etc pathetic TBH. It makes some people look incredibly thick too. I think they have forgotten why smoking in buildings/around others was banned.

I can't help remembering this quotation:

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"

H.L. Mencken 1916

I keep on coming back to read this thread & have resisted posting - so far.

I have had

FFS - I am now vaping & I feel so much healthier.

I can walk from the seafront up to Beachy Head - 600 feet or thereabouts without gasping & spluttering.

I can now swim 1K (40 lengths) with one break & no gasping.

I could not do this 18 months ago when I was still smoking 20 roll ups a day.

I am so much healthier & my lung function has increased & I sleep better, have lost weight and am feeling so much better & so much less guilty now I don't inhale tar & carcinogens daily.

What's the fucking argument?

It's a win/win for me.

I'd like babies and toddlers banned from buses. They're stinky, annoying and very loud. They offend my eyes, ears and nostrils.

(waves at magi) Is that everyone from the Nest of Vapers now? is good. Maybe we should as MN to give us a smily for vaping?