To think dp is being an entitled arse?

[Beavie]

Opinions please! Me and dp had a row yesterday. He is a teacher and thinks it is massively unfair that he gets paid the same as a younger teacher with the same experience. He went into teaching late in life, he is nearly 40, and this is his first year after his nqt.

He was actually put up a pay scale by his last school because of his age, so he is getting more than he would if he was younger. But he seems to think that his masses of life experience should mean that he gets paid significantly more. His life experience mostly involves travelling around the world putting on raves, so not exactly relevant.

I told him it's his tough shit for arsing about for so long before studying. No?

So any mature nursing students I have, especially ones that may be older than me should get paid more than me despite my 14 years of nursing experience? According to your DH?

I'd be telling them to jog on.

I was all set to say that he was being entitled, until you said he teaches MFL. I did languages at university and have met some teachers who are not that good at the languages they teach! I would say that if he was teaching French for example, and had lived in France for the last ten years, then it might be fair for him to earn a bit more than someone who has just finished uni and a PGCE. That would not be based on age, however, but on expertise in his subject. I'm not sure it would be worth an extra £12000 though!

If he has not been living in that country for the last ten years, then he should be paid the same as someone ten years younger, who has the same teaching experience.

litykemrssleepy the data can be misconstrued.

NAHT Women in Headship
www.naht.org.uk
5 Mar 2008 - In primary schools, 83% of teachers are women and only 62% are headteachers. Similarly in secondary schools, 55% of teachers are women ...

www.naht.org.uk/welcome/news-and-media/magazines/features/womeninheadship/

The use of the word penis in her post was and is sexist..in fact it was shocking wasn't it?

Beavie - tell your DH that I have a business degree and I would deduct salary from anyone who had one... they teach you (lets be fair, like most degrees) the square root of bugger all.

I was finance director at 28 for a big company and worked harder and just as well as most of my colleagues who were 5-10 years older than me. I would have been incandescent at the idea they should have been paid more because they had children or because they'd been pootling around running some raves.

Carruthers, did you read the article you quoted?

'women remained under-represented in senior management roles.

According to Department for Education figures, 32% of men working in nursery and primary schools are in senior management, compared with 16% of women.'

Quite surprised someone so dim has made it as a teacher

There is a rate of pay for a job, based on qualifications and experience.
Age has nothing to do with it.

Suppose I did my nurse training 3 years ago (instead of 40 years ago). Should I just walk into my current (nurse practitioner) role at my current band as soon as I qualified? I don't think so. I would be dangerous!

He is being silly. Which is a bit worrying as he is a teacher.

Goblinchild I don't call 62% as under represented.

Absolutely amazed you used the word penis in a thread like this.

Have a word with yourself.

If my post was offensive to you, feel free to report it.
The fact remains that the OP's husband is far more likely to rise rapidly through the ranks due to his gender than his experience of organising raves.
Which should make him very happy.

Oh give it a rest caruthers. She was making a valid point.

And fyi, penis is a fine word to use when wanting to articulate something regarding the male sex organ.

Goblinchild.

If you would have said that he has more chance of gaining management in secondary school because of his gender you would be right...but not ALL education.

And obviously the reference to his penis?

You think that's right?

I wont report you because i'd like your post to be seen.

Isn't teaching moving to performance-related pay? In that case, tell him not to worry. Given that his age and procreational status clearly make him much superior to those 20-somethings he trained alongside, he will be raking it in when he is assessed for this .

Was certainly a bit crass and the point could have been made in a nicer way. Not sure it was sexist - its a physical description of what a man is and the point is that being a man, he has a far greater chance (statistically) of reaching the upper echelons of teaching.

Bit confused at how that is misconstruing the data - that data backs ups Goblinchild's point - so in primary school 17% of teachers male yet 38% of headteachers are male.

I wont give it a rest K8middleton.

This thread wasn't about male sex organs was it?

Well it wasn't until you went on and on about it!

Oh and it's "sex", not "gender" if you want to play competitive pedantry.

Oh dear caruthers. The fact that 62% of head teachers are female does not mean they are fairly represented, when they make up 83% of the teaching body!!! Arrghhhhhh

Last post on this thread, and I promise not to mention male bits.

dera.ioe.ac.uk/7260/1/download%3Fid%3D17191%26filename%3Dgender-and-headship-in-the-21st-century.pdf

He'll be fine OP, give it three years and you will see. He'll be up where he belongs.

K8 because I complained to her it wasn't about that?

If I said that women get primary school positions because they have Vulvas would that be misconstrued?

Yes he is being u.

The word 'penis' appears 9 times on this thread (not counting that one) and 5 of them are yours caruthers

I'm not blaming anyone for having one K8....

Would it help to say, "Luckily, because he has a winkle, he probably will be promoted in a couple of years"?

Also, it says 'arse' in the thread title , 'penis' is no ruder than arse IMO.

What is it with posts about arses, they seem to bring more of them out of the woodwork!

Anyway, if the children have finished squabbling - yes OP he does sound like an entitled arse & yes he should have pulled his finger out earlier.

If we discount his genitalia then he should be paid based on experience and time in the role.....

Just to quote back some of the things this entitled arse prince amongst men thinks -

"He is a teacher and thinks it is massively unfair that he gets paid the same as a younger teacher with the same experience. He went into teaching late in life, he is nearly 40, and this is his first year after his nqt."

"He was saying he should get at least 37k, currently gets 25!!"

"Another reason he gave was because he has kids to support, so that should be taken into account."

"he told me that he knows far better than me because he has a business degree"

Such a pity his HUGE life experience (which "mostly involves travelling around the world putting on raves, so not exactly relevant" ) has not encompassed the concept of 'rate for the job'. If anything, his pronouncements show how little true life experience he has. As was pointed out to me by a colleague many years ago, some people have ten years' experience, some have one year's ten times over. Sounds like your DP is the latter, OP.

I entered retraining into a different field in my forties. I truly expected to be paid the exact same as my early-twenties coursemates. Any advantage that I expected to get from my 'life experience' was that I would hopefully find some aspects of the job a little easier/familiar; not a financial (and undeserved) bung.