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In being completely appalled by this attitude to Oscar Pitorius' trial?

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perfectstorm · 02/03/2014 15:46

So Paddy Power have decided to run a poster campaign and national media ad campaign on whether Oscar Pitorius is convicted of killing his girlfriend, complete with an image of him as an Oscar award, and the slogan " "It's Oscar Time. Money Back If He Walks." Their blog says, "Global media attention, bar-stool conversation and pillow talk will shift from the Oscars on Sunday night to Oscar on Monday when the Blade Runner straps on his prosthetic limbs for the long walk to the high court."

I don't know if it was an accident or whether he murdered her, but does it actually matter? A young woman is dead, this is a murder trial, and they think it's casual entertainment people can take a flutter on, akin to the sodding Oscars.

Are they run by David Brent?

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MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:12

Thank you, Lucy. :)

Maybe MrsMc can read that post and review her stance that there is any humour in this...

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:15

No, it's not "end of", Mrs, because pretty much all of us disagree with you here.

The advert is NOT trivial because its 'joke' pertains to the violent death of a young woman. It trivialises, yes, but don't tell us that we're getting wound up over something trivial when the advert is making light of a death.

Heh heh at being called a sanctimonious twat. I'd rather be a sanctimonious twat than as thick as mince but we all have our preferences. :)

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:16

Oh and being an amputee doesn't give you carte blanche to compare The Last Leg to this^.

HTH.

squoosh · 03/03/2014 14:16

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SauceForTheGander · 03/03/2014 14:17

The advert is not fucking trivial. It breaks advertising standards of decency.

We understand your point MrsMc82 - the advert is not funny.

Contrarian78 · 03/03/2014 14:19

Technical I'm a chap (and post on here from time to time. The campaign is in poor taste, but that doesn't necessarily prevent it from being funny. I personally think that it's "amusing" rather than funny and although I know I'd feel differently if it were my daughter (I'm a hypocrite) I do think that some people need to lighten up.

In terms of a campaign though, it works. It will appeal to Paddypower's target market (how many Mumsnetters had even heard of them before today, let alone placed a bet with them?!?!?) and it will undoubtedly raise their profile. Had mumsnet, or it's posters, really wanted to make a point, they should have ignored the campaign.

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MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:20

"Technical I'm a chap...I do think that some people need to lighten up."

Quelle surprise.

squoosh · 03/03/2014 14:22

I'd be far more surprised if someone said they hadn't heard of Paddy Power.

I hate the attitude that people should ignore things that offend them. That's such absolute bullshit.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:24

Paddy Power have been a feature on many a High St for the best part of a decade. Why wouldn't any of us have heard of them? Confused It's not like they've been a little underground operation, quietly going about their business. They're a national company!

perfectstorm · 03/03/2014 14:25

Technical the machines are being used, allegedly (eye to MNHQ), to money launder. You can pay a huge volume of cash in, lose a small proportion, then cash out with a receipt showing "winnings figure" which then explains where you got it from, without saying how much you originally entered. There's no current way of dealing with that. There are also worries about levels of criminality associated with addicted gamblers, and the machines are infinitely more addictive than traditional forms - there's no real comparison to the National Lottery because even scratch cards weren't dealing in the sums of money the machines do, and people had to buy them from someone prior to online availability (and even now, they can't begin to lose hundreds of pounds a minute on them or anything like it) so it wasn't just them and a machine (though it arguably made gambling more socially acceptable, agreed.) Those machines are hugely problematic, and the tax created may not be enough to compensate for the social costs.

I don't really want to get too much into the whole gambling ethics issue because it's only relevant here inasmuch as any increased focus will be getting management at the firms jumpy, so it's a distraction. But senior management at one very large betting firm have had their pay this year linked not solely to profits, as usual... but also to their ability to demonstrate action taken on "social responsibility". (Which is frankly rather entertaining, given their industry's whole business model and the presumable impossibility of proving more than window-dressing, but perhaps indicates the way the wind is blowing within the industry ranks.)

Ironically, the form of gambling these ads aim at is the "small flutter" which isn't that problematic, or at least not comparatively. But they're so abhorrent in terms of attitude that it may draw unwanted attention from people other than the late adolescent males the campaign is actually aimed at. (Which is, really, admittedly, rather clever on its own terms. The industry are obsessive about regulatory compliance in terms of age, and can't afford to risk ever being seen as targeting young people, so this ad is defensibly targeting people old enough to legally gamble, but at the bottom end of that age range - late teens and early 20s men.) I can see why they've done it. I just think they've been tone deaf in terms of what most of the population will stomach, and the current climate on gambling more generally. And in turn, targeting the reaction in a direction the industry really don't want pressured against them is all we can do. Which is, at least, better than nothing, no? I doubt their target market are big Mumsnet browsers, any more than the average MN will use those machines. But we do vote - as Brown and Cameron both understood at the last election.

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Technical · 03/03/2014 14:25

Yes, Maramalade, a rare occasion when I'm disappointed to be right (although I'm sure there will be others along to say I'm not)

I don't think as a campaign it will have done PP any harm at all and I agree with 78 that it will have raised the profile among loads of people who had never heard of them before. Even if MumsNetters never darken their doors, the publicity generated by being known to have upset a bunch of MumsNetters will do them no harm at all in their target groups.

The whole thing remains outrageous but that includes much of the coverage from the day of the very sad events.

MrsMc82 · 03/03/2014 14:25

How exactly am I challenged?

SauceForTheGander · 03/03/2014 14:27

You thought mumsnetters hadn't heard of Paddy Power ?

Hilarious.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:28

Do you want me to list the ways, MrsMc? I'll decline as I'd rather earn a deletion for something more worthy.

They haven't just upset Mumsnetters, though, Technical. It was a topic on two television programmes this morning and there's a FB campaign and petition against the advert. It's ruffled a lot of feathers and rightly so.

Technical · 03/03/2014 14:29

I wouldn't have named them if I'd been asked to list 3 bookies.

IRCL · 03/03/2014 14:30

Disgusting.

Mrs would you still find it funny if it was your young daughter that was shot dead?

Signed.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 14:31

I would, Technical. Maybe they're more prevalent in my area than yours but they're definitely well-known to me.

Blu · 03/03/2014 14:31

Contrarian - yes, you may well feel very differently if your daughter had been killed in circumstances not yet confirmed.

You might feel differently if your son was on trial accused of a death in circumstances not yet established,

And you might, you never know, feel differently if your child, like mine, was born with the same condition as Oscar P, and knows that people think it oh so hilarious to make the same old 'jokes' time and time again - and this time for corporate greed.

But then you are encouraged in this by MrsMc82.

Stockhausen · 03/03/2014 14:31

It's disgusting. That's the only 'end of' for me.

squoosh · 03/03/2014 14:32

Paddy Power have a much higher advertising presence than the likes of William Hill. They're actually very famous, and I say this as someone who rarely gambles!

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Technical · 03/03/2014 14:34

Yes, absolutely Marmalade but that's why it's so clever as a campaign. I'm not for a minute saying that makes it right, it really really doesn't. But the very fact that it has ruffled feathers is what will make the company attractive in it's target groups.

Do any of the high profile ruffled feathers include groups of young men who spend Saturday afternoons betting on football and Saturday mornings playing slots? The groups who are campaigning are exactly the groups those young men (as a group, obviously not all) enjoy shocking. Even if thy don't agree with the sentiment of the adverts (and most won't really) they will enjoy the effect they're having on boring older people.

JillJ72 · 03/03/2014 14:35

There are things you can joke about and things you can't. This really scrapes the barrel. Where's the moral compass?

I really hope you don't work in HR in my line of business, MrsMc82, I'd find it very hard to have confidence in you.

Sheesh....

SauceForTheGander · 03/03/2014 14:39

And I'd have named paddy power at number 2. What's the point of this poll?

The real point is - this advert is offensive and it's profiteering from a woman's murder. The problem is too many people shrug their shoulders at domestic violence like its just one of those things that we're never going to be able to solve.

Well we won't if it's considered good joke fodder. How traumatic would a death have to be for a coutroom bet to be deemed unfunny? How about a child murder? Where's the line for you lot who think this ad is hilarious and clever marketing.

One woman a week is murdered by their partner or ex partner. Those are the real odds we should be debating,