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In being completely appalled by this attitude to Oscar Pitorius' trial?

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perfectstorm · 02/03/2014 15:46

So Paddy Power have decided to run a poster campaign and national media ad campaign on whether Oscar Pitorius is convicted of killing his girlfriend, complete with an image of him as an Oscar award, and the slogan " "It's Oscar Time. Money Back If He Walks." Their blog says, "Global media attention, bar-stool conversation and pillow talk will shift from the Oscars on Sunday night to Oscar on Monday when the Blade Runner straps on his prosthetic limbs for the long walk to the high court."

I don't know if it was an accident or whether he murdered her, but does it actually matter? A young woman is dead, this is a murder trial, and they think it's casual entertainment people can take a flutter on, akin to the sodding Oscars.

Are they run by David Brent?

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squoosh · 03/03/2014 12:35

I can say with all honesty that I definitely didn't laugh MrsMc. No grip required thanks.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 12:40

What's funny about it, MrsMc?

On one hand you've got the mocking of a double-amputee and on the other you've got trivialisation/profiteering of a woman's death.

Where's the joke that you think we all missed?

merrymouse · 03/03/2014 12:46

Really, really nasty. The people who need to get a grip on reality are Paddy Power.

RiverTam · 03/03/2014 12:47

are you kidding MrsMc82? It's utterly repellant. No grip needed here either. You, on the other hand, need to acquire a moral compass.

Breakage · 03/03/2014 12:50

"That's disgusting. The poor girl's family have really been through the mill on this. It's been handled so badly by the South African justice system and the global media machine. Now they have a dimwitted bookmaker's idea of marketing to contend with."

I agree with almost all of this and certainly the sentiment but "dim-witted" marketing it's not. As a marketing campaign it's brilliant. How many other bookmakers have been "advertised" on MN this morning? Before you read this thread, if you'd ben asked to name 3 bookmakers, would PaddyPower have been one of them? (wouldn't have come to my mind at all).

I wonder if it's possible to find out how much cash has actually been bet? i.e for all the outrage, people will be doing this terrible thing.

Whole thing is absolutely outrageous, I don't think any trial should be televised and certainly not reduced to sport in this way but I am interested in how this one turns out. Does that make me a terrible person?

squoosh · 03/03/2014 12:54

Paddy Power are the most famous bookies I'd have thought Breakage.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 03/03/2014 12:54

That's repulsive.

kim147 · 03/03/2014 12:56

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ExcuseTypos · 03/03/2014 13:02

Have signed. The whole is obscene. Angry

Breakage · 03/03/2014 13:02

Really? I must be very old then. the one that come to mind for me are the old High Street ones, Ladbrokes, William Hill. Anyway, you must get my point

Pickofthepops · 03/03/2014 13:05

Utterly shocked that anyone on MN would see a joke here and then tell others to get a grip.

merrymouse · 03/03/2014 13:06

It's all internet these days.

I think your point if valid if you believe that all publicity is good publicity - this would also be Ryan Air's theory.

merrymouse · 03/03/2014 13:07

point is valid

Flibbertyjibbet · 03/03/2014 13:10

I was shocked that a business could form an advertising campaign based on whether a killer (because he IS whether its murder or manslaughter) goes free; gobsmacked that they can then mock the defendant for wearing prosthetics, and then when I got to MrsMc82's post my jaw finally did hit the keyboard.

Yes there might have been a cringeworthy attempt at humour in their ad, but to tell me to get a grip over someone basically taking the piss that a young woman was shot to death?

Words fail me.

squoosh · 03/03/2014 13:14

I don't buy the 'all publicity is good publicity' line. Ryan Air seem to be trying to claw back some goodwill from the general public in recent months.

MrsMc82 · 03/03/2014 13:15

So nobody on mn has ever laughed at a tasteless joke? Really? REALLY????!!

Nobody on mn has ever laughed at the last leg or jimmy carr or charlie brooker!?! Who are you kidding!

Yes tasteless, very, but also amusing!

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 13:17

I can honestly say that I've never laughed at Jimmy Carr.

Charlie Brooker doesn't tend to make those kind of jokes. He's a satirist.

You still haven't explained what the joke is, though. Maybe if you could enlighten us, we might see the funny side?

squoosh · 03/03/2014 13:18

For God's sake, this isn't just a 'joke'. They are trying to profit from a woman's death and possible murder. Not funny, never funny.

OnlyLovers · 03/03/2014 13:20

The Last Leg is in the business of identifying the kind of potentially embarrassing or offensive 'disablist' humour/comments that able-bodied people feel uncomfortable about making, and saying whether it's OK to make the comments or not. It is a voice from the inside, as it were.

Jimmy Carr: hand on heart I have never laughed at one thing he's said.

Charlie Brooker: as Marmalade says above, he doesn't deal in this kind of 'humour' or in jokes/puns at all, really.

SouthernComforts · 03/03/2014 13:21

My sense of humour is very dark but this is just crass. The whole televised trial thing doesn't sit right with me either.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 13:24

Same, Southern. I can laugh at dark humour if it's intelligent, properly thought-out satire. If it's just knuckledraggy, cheap 'humour' such as this, it can fuck off.

MarmaladeShatkins · 03/03/2014 13:25

Oh and what OnlyLovers said about The Last Leg. I imagine that MrsMc82 laughs it it for very different reasons than most people do... Hmm

perfectstorm · 03/03/2014 13:26

Breakage, I did wonder about that before posting, but as a matter of fact the gambling industry are under huge pressure right now in political terms, because they make a lot (Ladbrokes I think almost half; the rest at least a quarter and usually more) of their profits from incredibly addictive gaming machines. Senior management's pay in a main competitor is now being linked to how well they can demonstrate an ability to present the company as concerned by problem gambling, and social responsibility more generally, and I really doubt that this concern is isolated to that one company. They're all very jittery about the potential fallout if there is a lot of focus on the effect their shop expansions (and they're expanding like mad, because those machines are so addictive) are having on the local communities. If the machines are regulated, let alone banned, profits will fall sharply and closures will ensue. It's a very, very bad time for people to be contacting their MPs or ministers (and the petition is intended for them) with a complaint that a major betting company are doing something extremely socially irresponsible.

I'm sure they meant to shock, because their core target for new market will be very young men, so they want to be seen as pushing the boundaries with that target market. What they won't want is a focus on how generally socially corrosive they are. And the petition is aiming squarely at the people who have regulatory powers, at a time when consideration is being given to an inquiry into their social effect. I doubt senior management will want that, just as I doubt senior management sign off on every single poster campaign - they'll run numerous over the year. For what it's worth, the friend who linked to the petition on her Facebook actually works in Parliament and sees various campaigns across her desk every day of the week. She thought it was well targeted, given the current anxieties in the industry.

And no, of course natural human curiosity doesn't make you a bad person. In fact interest in other people is IMO what makes someone a good person, and at its lowest denominator, gossip will be how that's expressed. But being interested in the outcome of a trial centred on a horrible human tragedy is very different from a stylised marketing campaign which turns it explicitly into light entertainment (the Oscars reference) mocks disability (haw, haw, he can't "walk") and is blithely oblivious to the fact that either this man accidentally shot dead someone he loved because he was terrified, in a nation with colossal murder rates, of an intruder... or he deliberately murdered his own girlfriend, in a domestic violence scenario. That's not a soap opera or a movie, it's a real event.

A real person has died in terrible cicumstances, and it's being treated as nothing more than a joke, and an opportunity to make money. That is rather more seriously nasty than the "chav" jokes previously mentioned. In fact it's downright sociopathic.

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merrymouse · 03/03/2014 13:29

Agree onlylovers and marmalade.

Pickofthepops · 03/03/2014 13:31

mailto:[email protected] Katie Kempner PR rep at the advertising co PP use. I have emailed to express disgust.