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to think reporting the mother of your child for benefit fraud makes you a dick?

67 replies

terrificallytremendous · 01/03/2014 21:42

My best friend called in tears tonight. She has to go for an interview at the job centre next week because 'there may be a change in her circumstances they haven't been informed of' aka someone has reported her. Her ex, with whom she has a 7 year old ds has made it blatantly clear it was him.

His reason for reporting is that he apparently believes she's committing fraud because she has an 18 month dd with her ex, they split 6 months ago. Her ex lives and works close to her and is on call after work so he visits their dd two or three nights per week for an hour at her home while she spends time with her ds. On his days off he takes their dd out for an afternoon one day then stays to do bath and bed and then on the second day has her for the afternoon and overnight. They're trying to work at their dds pace regarding contact and it seems to be working well. Her ex has a car he doesn't need for work but does need at weekends to see his other children so she uses his car while he works, paying for her own petrol.

Aibu to think this is not benefit fraud, and that even if she were committing it, reporting the mother of your child makes you a dick as the only impact on your child will be negative?

OP posts:
MammaTJ · 02/03/2014 08:40

My friend was reported as her BF stays over most nights!

He actually lives with his DM and pays her keep and eats there every night, then goes round to my friends and stays!

All my friends bills are in her name, he does not contribute at all. She proved that, told them they cannot dictate her sex life and they left her alone!

BusinessUnusual · 02/03/2014 08:54

Different, from a post OP made yesterday:

"He knows her ex has his own address and interrogates his ds about everything so knows ex doesn't have meals/do washing/buy shopping/stay over. He is doing it to cause my friend stress and hassle."

Sounds like ex1 knows full well ex2 doesn't live there!

notthegirlnextdoor · 02/03/2014 08:55

He's a dick. No fraud has been commited.

I got a letter 2 years ago and an interview and although I'd done nothing wrong, I was in tears and very upset about the whole thing.

Basically someone has reported me for having "a boyfriend". The bloke in question is my brother

MrsDeVere · 02/03/2014 09:34

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cory · 02/03/2014 09:53

Of course she doesn't need to think she'll get done in order to worry.

The thought of benefits being stopped while the investigation grinds on (and eventually finds her innocent) would be quite enough to make most people worry.

Because it does happen. Not always, but it does happen.

edamsavestheday · 02/03/2014 10:05

What a clock that man is. Cutting off his son's nose to spite his ex's face.

x2boys · 02/03/2014 10:06

There was a similar thread on another well known parent forum, mum was living alone her partner the father of her children also was but stayed at her house three nights a week maybe more to help with the children etc the general consensus was why were they not living together was it to maximise their income? Also a few people said it does not really matter wether partner/expartner has his own address its wether the dwp see them as a couple ie days out etc .One women who had a new boyfriend not the father of her children had been called for an interview under caution and as they were seen as a couple family days out etc told either to move in together or there would be further investigations .I know nothing about benefit fraud and am not suggesting its going on here just saying what a similar thread said

sashh · 02/03/2014 10:08

So ex number 1 has reported her because ex number 2 is being a decent dad, seeing his child, doing bath time etc.

He's more than a dick.

DonnaDishwater · 02/03/2014 10:10

They don't investigate every allegation, that would be impossible, they have a points scoring system and anything that gets enough points gets investigated. Is the guy paying any of your friends bills by direct debit? Sky was always a favourite one when I worked for the BA. As long as he isn't paying any bills for the address and he as a legitimate address somewhere else, she should be fine.

terrificallytremendous · 02/03/2014 22:06

It's with compliance, does that make a difference?

x2boys - I've also heard that the being seen as a family thing is viewed as very bad by the powers that be.

Donna - he isn't paying any bills at all.

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Troglodad · 02/03/2014 22:16

That depends on the circumstances - if you are paying child support and tax, and the person your wages are being garnished for, is also stealing benefits, you might dob them in.

Or he could be vindictive, I don't know. My general attitude would be not to drop people in the crap without good reason.

BusinessUnusual · 02/03/2014 23:37

Trog, if you are paying child maintenance (not benefit, that's from the government) then the amount you pay is based on your wage and the split of residency. The income/benefits of the RP are irrelevant to the CSA payment level required of the NRP.

perfectstorm · 02/03/2014 23:49

That depends on the circumstances - if you are paying child support and tax, and the person your wages are being garnished for, is also stealing benefits, you might dob them in.

He's self-employed, claiming to be on such a low income he's not subject to child support claims, and thus presumably not paying tax, either. Despite that self-employed income earning a Hmm from the OP.

It does not sound like this man is really meeting his own obligations to society, never mind his own child, does it.

AchyFox · 03/03/2014 02:01

How much child maintenance does each pay ?

Is X1 paying a lot more than X2 ?

AchyFox · 03/03/2014 02:06

Do you think it's possible that your friend and X2 have decided to maximize their income by pretending they've split ?

perfectstorm · 03/03/2014 02:18

Achy it's in the thread: X1 claims self-employed low income so pays nothing. X2 pays CSA mandated amounts.

This is not a case where X1 is feeling "his" money is subbing the younger child. He doesn't pay any.

fideline · 03/03/2014 02:21

OP get your friend to read this It is the guidelines DWP have to work from to decide if your friend and her 2nd Ex are 'living together as husband and wife'

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