To ask how an independent Scotland would fund the ex Team GB athletes?

[Bearbehind]

I have no idea how sports funding works, hence the question, but watching the Winter Olympics has got me thinking. If Scotland votes for independence what would happen to, for example the Curling team, who are all Scottish?

In principle I'd have thought Team GB has access to more funding/ sponsorship etc as a bigger entity but could an independent Scotland provide the required support?

My education is fine, Thank you for your concern. As far as I am aware The Yes Campaign and Better Together are on opposite sides.

My education is fine, Thank you for your concern

I'm sure it is, and as an educated person I'm sure you'll agree that understanding how things are funded in Scotland (it's not fairy dust BTW ), and how that might be impacted by what happens in September, is pretty fundamental to logically considering which way to vote.

In fact, much of the financial support for elite athletes comes from Lottery funding.

The question of what will happen to the Lottery is just one of many unanswered questions. Unless someone on this thread knows.

Hmmn, Chris Hoy wasn't too keen on the notion and became a target for cybernats for a while. Eiliedh Child isn't too keen either. Eve Muirhead, just back from the Olympics, said on the matter:

"For our curling teams, nine times out of 10, we represent Scotland at the European and World Championships, and that's a great honour to have your country on your back," she said.

"When it comes to the Olympic Games and you get a chance to represent Team GB, it makes it extra special.

"You're one big team and we're all together and it's a great, great feeling to know when you step on that ice that you are part of Team Great Britain and not just part of Team Scotland.

"So, for us, it just makes it extra-special as well."

Source: www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/eve-muirhead-on-indyref-being-part-of-team-gb-is-extra-special.1393313061

and tbh if I wanted to "educate myself" on the independence campaign, I'd stay away from propaganda and improve my education on stuff like the legal system, basic principles of EU law, the White Paper and a variety of primary and secondary material, published by publishers with a wide variety of material.

squeaver there is a quote on this thread stating that the British Olympic Association doesn't receive lottery funding.

It would be a big kick in the teeth if a Scottish athlete chose GB over their home country but I'm guessing they'd choose that option over not being able to compete at all.

and tbh if I wanted to "educate myself" on the independence campaign, I'd stay away from propaganda and improve my education on stuff like the legal system, basic principles of EU law, the White Paper and a variety of primary and secondary material, published by publishers with a wide variety of material

I complete agree, but the campaign sites are a food introduction to what the issues may be, and the Yes site at least often references it's original sources so you can check them out. You need to know what legal issues you should be reading up on.

Reading widely, and reading critically is definitely the way to go though, and propaganda has its place as long as it is well referenced - it can be quite illuminating to see the completely different conclusions the different sides can draw from the same data....

I don't think they are a good introduction at all. I'm very careful what I read - I can't believe some of the links Yes supporters have put on threads on independence, as much of it is blatant and very badly written and biased propaganda. The trouble with propaganda is that it tends to be written for people who lack the educational background to select for themselves suitable information sources more wisely, and hence can be very frustrating for anyone with an average level of intelligence and no bias to waste time on.

NB when we talk of primary sources in terms of researching a subject, we mean stuff like laws (read at source), rules, doctrines, original studies and reports, etc.. Good secondary sources would be properly published work (ie not something on a website), such as textbooks, lecture notes, respected journal articles.

Team GB us solely funded by the British Olympic Association, which does not receive lottery or government funding.

The National Lottery provides funding to Sport England and Sport Scotland (and Sport Northern Ireland and Sport Wales) and also provides funding to UK Sport, which supports elite athletes.

I don't think they are a good introduction at all

But you don't believe Scotland is funded by fairy dust ;)

NB when we talk of primary sources in terms of researching a subject, we mean stuff like laws (read at source), rules, doctrines, original studies and reports, etc.. Good secondary sources would be properly published work (ie not something on a website), such as textbooks, lecture notes, respected journal articles

I agree with your primary sources. I think secondary sources need to be read very critically and with reference to primary sources, as secondary sources will often have a bias.

Where do you stand on Westminster white papers and the Scottish government equivalent? They are obviously written with extreme bias.

White papers I think are generally most useful retrospectively, as evidence.

I don't think its that hard to find primary and secondary sources if you simply outline the main issues you want to find out about and then sources material accordingly, rather than a scattergun approach, and avoid internet resources of dubious authority. e.g. if you want to find out about the EU membership issue, you could refer to a textbook on the basics of EU law and organisations and even read extracts from the relevant treaties.

I also think oral evidence has its place here - see Eve Muirhead's quote, in a secondary authenticated source - the Herald newspaper.

I wonder how athletes who currently use facilities only accessible to Team GB which are located in England would fare. And whether they would continue to be coached by top GB coaches.

The gold and silver ice dance couples in Sochi have the same trainer and train on the same ice - but one is Canadian the other from the USA (I think USA got gold but can't be sure).

Lots of athletes train outside their own country, for anything on snow you can't do much in the UK.

I think it is a very interesting question and to be honest I don't think anyone has really thought about it. Aren't the commonwealth games in Edinburgh?

I do hope that last post was being at least slightly ironic.

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Otherthan the fact that there is already a large and comprehensive Acitidh insights of sport supporting Scottish athletes, Scotland would manage to limp all g without the UK. Question is, can England survive without Scotland.

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Otherthan the fact that there is already a large and comprehensive Scottish Institute of Sport supporting Scottish athletes, Scotland would manage to limp along without the UK. Question is, can England survive without Scotland.

As to press quotes from athletes, eulogising Team England, Team Scotland or Team GB(my husband was one) they are coached on media speak, they are told what to wear and they are told what to say. Anyone who deviates from the script, famously gets into hot water, so they just tow the line, make the right noises and holdup their medals for the cameras.

We talked about this the other day and I will say I don't think Scottish athletes what to be independent they are funded by the uk lottery the funding has been life changing for athletes and they no it I wouldn't be surprised if many pop up in the better together ads

just heard standard life is making plans to leave Scotland I don't doubt many others are to salmon Is going to fuck Scotland right up

To be honest I don't think salmon has really thought passed his place in the history books

The cost of an Olympic team is of negligible importance when deciding if you want to be an independent country.

It all adds up it's about simply how salmon is going to pay the bills if you can't cost up frigging team Scotland then how can people trust he's costed anything else

I have a feeling it's likely to go the way of Irelands athletics they will have pretty much No showing at any games anywhere bar the curling then there will be no funding and no more cris hoys

Question is, can England survive without Scotland.

Why is that the question montysma? Yes Team GB might lose some Scottish sponsorship but I wouldn't have thought the impact of that will be as significant as the impact of Scottish athletes losing Team GB support and there aren't enough Scottish athletes that Team GB would be wiped out without them.

I have noticed a trend on discussions about independence whereby there aren't many facts and figures in support of the Yes vote and how things will actually work if it happens

They might get funding from somewhere. However they would loose access to sports research and development facilities in the rest of the UK (namely at Loughborough and Bath) which specialise in things like sports psychology and are world leaders.

Unless they maybe paid a premium for the privilege...

If they couldn't get Olympic membership in time for 2016, then they would have to compete under the Olympic flag.

A small independent European country is quite capable of fielding and funding a small number of athletes.

If it chooses to change the balancing of its tax-and-spend priorities, it has the option to fund sports quite generously, though of course rebalancing always has winners and losers, and the losers are more vociferous.

poster Bearbehind because salmon is banking on anti English sentiment good old racism and not wanting a Tory government

Which are not sound reasons for becoming independent it's kind of scary really if not having the pound not being allowed to joking the EU ECt don't make you feel a bit the plans company's to relocate in the event of a yes

Vote should

Just a thought - presumably the National Lottery would have to split too?

I agree trampstamp I'm just astounded that people are more inclined to vote for something with no idea of how it will work out than remain part of the UK- that quote from Braveheart is ringing in my ears!