To wonder why no one seems bothered by links to labour MPs + paedophile rights organisation?

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The Mail has published new claims about Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt supporting The paedophile information exchange. Thought it was a rehash of an old story, but I've looked at the evidence published, and it looks as if harriet etc do have some explaining to do. I won't link to the Mail, but the Guardian gives a more nuanced point of view here

www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/feb/20/dailymail-harrietharman
What I'm finding puzzling is twitter is not bothered! And I haven't seen anything on mumsnet. Isn't anyone bothered? No wonder jimmy Saville et al got away with their actions. I am a labour voter myself, so I'm not trying to be partisan and stir up trouble, but the silence on this disturbs me.

HH's signature was on the document containing this.

"Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage… The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage"

THAT IS WHY I AM SO HOPPING MAD she is an MP and a senior politician. I cannot believe it is now turning into "bad Daily Mail hounding poor HH" posts here. Just shocking.

12 employees? Are you sure? Have you got a link to that?

claig its on the Telegraph link from yesterdays papers.

It really is fucking outrageous that Tom O Carroll is being quoted in the media as a respectable witness and commentator and Harriet Harman, who has spent her life working for women and children's rights is being seen as an apologist for paedophilia.

Should have said in the Telegraph link i posted above!

However, Miss Harman’s claims were thrown into doubt by new internal documents, obtained by The Telegraph from the NCCL’s archives, which show NCCL’s close involvement with PIE continued until at least 1979. At the time the NCCL had fewer than 12 employees

Copied from the link for you

Martorana, he's the only one giving any information!!!

Thanks. Amazing.
At first I didn't understand the 12 and 14 bit, but I guess the sub-committee are not employees, because O'Carroll was obviously not an employee, but PIE was affiliated and he was its chairman.

"At the time the NCCL had fewer than 12 employees .

Documents dated from 1978 and 1979 disclose Nettie Pollard - the NCCL’s Gay and Lesbian Officer - sat on the group’s 14-strong gay rights committee with Tom O’Carroll, PIE's chairman who was later jailed for child porn offences."

but was that document in reference to lowering the age of consent for homosexual sex to be on a par with heterosexual legal limits? because in that case the paedohplia being referred to could be a 20yo homosexual male having sex with someone over 21?

committee not sub-committee

Fewer than 12 employees does not mean fewer than 12 people were running NCCL, does it? Most of the top bods on commitees and sub-committees would be volunteer officers and members, or would they? There's so little clarity on the basic facts.

In most vol orgs of the time, the employees would make the decisions and get committees to rubber stamp them.

I wouldn't put it beyond any politician to turn a blind eye to something for their own gain, but I think that having a membership of 12 makes it more not less likely that they wouldn't be very good at checking out their 1000 members.

sorry twelve employees.

"Martorana, he's the only one giving any information!!!"

And this is considered information worth paying any attention to exactly why?

In order to be affiliated to the NCCL you had to pay a fee. That's it.

"I think that having a membership of 12 makes it more not less likely that they wouldn't be very good at checking out their 1000 members."

Really? Not even raising an eyebrow at the name of "Paedophile Information Exchange"?? Or did they type up the name with their brains switched off?

The whole point was that people, however unpleasant, would be given the opportunity to put their point of view across. It was an idealistic view- but one still seen today when people say that the BNP should be allowed a platform.

bemybebe, you made a mistake in one of your earlier posts about HH signing. Best to remove it.

It's not just that - PIE were an active campaign, holding stalls at conferences, handing out leaflets. They were vocal. You couldn't not know about them. Especially if you were in any way involved in rights campaigns at the time.

Didn't she? I will get the link... but i am heading out right now...

But the BNP weren't allowed affiliation to NCCL were they? So decisions were made about who to allow affiliation, and who not to?

Who made those decisions?

'Who made those decisions?'

I presume it would have had to be one of the fewer than 12 employees, but I don't know.

"Really? Not even raising an eyebrow at the name of "Paedophile Information Exchange"?? Or did they type up the name with their brains switched off?"

I don't know. I can remember working in an office in the late 80's though. Typewriters, carbon paper. Once something was filed away it might never be seen again.

It is ridiculous to say that a sexual interest in young people was not more acceptable in the 70s. I was born in 64 and seem to have spent my youth and childhood avoiding dodgy hugs from caretakers, over enthusiastic tickling from a friend's creepy dad, and even our male year 6 teacher telling us how womanly we were getting.
Benny Hill and all that disgusting naughty schoolgirl type crap was all over prime time TV and in 1984 Bill Wyman was publicly dating a 14 year old girl.
And yes, the boundaries between homosexuality and paedophilia were a lot more blurred in the minds of many people; there was a general acceptance that they were equally unacceptable.

It is not surprising that, as people began to accept homosexuality, they also questioned whether paedophilia was an acceptable sexual orientation. Yes, there really was that debate, in many areas of the media, in the seventies.

The only people who appear to have been confused about paedophillia in the 70's appear to be those in Power who were the only ones in a position to do anything to stop it.

The BBC showed footage of lots of very angry people in the 70's outside a building protesting against PIE.

I dont know if anyone can clarify what building it was?

I dont think Joe Bloggs on the street was confused at all.